Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
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Wessie,, that is a SUPREME COURT RULING, which circumvented the Constitution bub. So you sadly full of the same ol same ol.. Why do we DEPORT so many every year then? A few years ago ICE raided a few McDonalds joints around here, sending them all back to Mexico.. IF they do indeed enjoy the same status as you or me, tell me how that happens?
Part of the REAL problem here in the USA is that too many think like you.
Illegal aliens cost cali last year some 10 billion dollars. uh huh.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
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Do illegal aliens have the same right to keep and bear arms?
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
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Wessie,, seriously you DO NOT KNOW who the Constitution was for? really? Its a document for WE THE PEOPLE of the United states of America.
The supreme court has been crapping on it for decades, along with many a president.. Hope that gets you pointed in the right direction.
edit: Chaz,, bet we both know the answer to that one also.;-)
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jghedge
climber
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
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"The supreme court has been crapping on it for decades, along with many a president.. Hope that gets you pointed in the right direction."
Just admit you were wrong, little boy, and change the subject to the next thing you know nothing about.
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Dave Kos
Social climber
Temecula
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
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Do illegal aliens have the same right to keep and bear arms?
Do you know how to type stuff into google?
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
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it was a point Dave,, not a question really.
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Dave Kos
Social climber
Temecula
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
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A better question:
Why have the courts ruled that the second amendment is different from other Constitutionally guaranteed rights?
Why have they ruled that the right to bear arms can be subject to different rules than the right to free speech or due process?
Could open the door to some interesting legal arguments...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
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Idiot, due process
Reality
2nd amendment to the CONSTITUTION, part of the bill of RIGHTS... as in the part that protects certain RIGHTS:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation
14th amendment to the CONSTITUTION:
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "
Truthiness herpes
Illegals HAVE ZERO rights under our constitution.. ZERO.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
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Lets see wessie,, the 14th? Have you read the NDAA 2013 laws? Negates that lock stock and barrel.
Now, you say that illegal aliens have the same rights, yet they cannot own fire arms, as they can not pass a brady back ground check being ILLEGAL.
They can be rounded up and removed from this country ANYTIME the feds so choose. They CAN NOT DO THAT to you.. ( bummer)..Now of course thats according to the Constitution, but Obama signed laws that fairly well shreds that to ribbons.
Now tell me again,, how ILLEGAL aliens are the same as you or me?
Only by current Washington policies and the supreme court screwing the Constitution, and that is fakt.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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you say that illegal aliens have the same rights
Nope. Never said that. Are your eyes bad, or do you just have 3rd grade reading comprehension?
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Dr. F.
Big Wall climber
SoCal
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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Obama signed the laws that the Republicans passed in the House, that was the Only Defense Bill that was offered, was he supposed to not sign it, and leave the Military without a Budget?
If you want to point to Who is shredding the Constitution, just look at the Republicans.
They hate the Constitution, except when it's on their side, which is seldom.
If the House had a Democratic Majority, then the laws would have be alot different,
Liberal = Liberty
Conservative = Repression and fewer rights
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jghedge
climber
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
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"Illegals HAVE ZERO rights under our constitution.. ZERO."
People this stupid should not be armed. Obviously.
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jghedge
climber
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
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"Are your eyes bad, or do you just have 3rd grade reading comprehension?"
He has held-back-from-3rd-grade reading comp.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
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Whether illegal aliens can own guns has nothing to do with the constitution.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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Hey Doc,, since WHEN does Obama care about a "budget" ????
Erasing the debt ceiling,, now thats an Obama plan. He once labeled that irresponsible,, back when he was running the first time.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
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Whether illegal aliens can own guns has nothing to do with the constitution.
That is only true if you assume that illegal aliens have no rights with respect to the 2nd Amendment. That seems right to me, but illegal aliens have been held to have the right to a publicly financed education, so it's hard to say what rights any particular court may find.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
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I'm not saying a court would not find illegal aliens have a right to bear arms, but rather that they are presumably precluded from doing so by various and as of yet unchallenged gun control laws.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 20, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
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^ ^
OK, and that does seem correct to me as well, just noting the possibility of legal challenges to those laws.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 20, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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There is no crime of "being here illegally" (although Arizona tried to make one), it is as meaningless as saying that if you broke the speed limit on your way to work, now you are "here illegally" and no longer entitled to own a gun. I'm not suggesting it would be a good idea for an illegal to try pass a background check, but he could perfectly legally buy a gun through other means and if found in otherwise lawful possession of a gun, has committed no crime.
is it climbing season yet?
TE
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 20, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
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That's like saying a felon can find a way to buy a gun without going through a background check ( gunshow? ), and still legally own the gun.
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