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tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 23, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
You didn't change slavery with slaves, you aren't going to change gun crime with guns.



Try changing gun crime with slaves, since you changed slaves with guns???
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 23, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
Tooth,,One of the main problems is that America simply lets in who ever wants to come here- illegally. Third world people and the low ebb of those third world people. The NIGHTLY shootings done by the same are basically recorded and done with. A prevailing attitude is that it was just gang an gang violence so LEOs dont overly concern themselves with it. So on it goes, night after night- and the homicide rates inflate even though it ISNT americans doing those shootings for the majority.

safe to say America has the most relaxed ILLEGAL immigration policies of any other country.
WBraun

climber
Mar 23, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
jghedge -- "We ended slavery ...."

You haven't ended any slaver.

All you've accomplished in the last 13 years is increased it dramatically.

Americans are so fuking stupid ......
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 23, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
I have to agree Ron. We don't see that in my society. We have all the stats and laws that these guys are vying for, however, we actually have the guns that Ron has. A neighbor had full auto's a couple years ago (has since moved), and between 10 neighbors that I know about there are over 200 guns. So obviously if guns were the biggest issue, our neighborhood would have stats like the US.



We are missing the people element that when combined with the gun implement creates death.



You could change the people element and keep the implement and remove the death. But you can't keep the people element and change the implement and remove death. If you take your gun death stats out of your society, you are still multiples higher than Canada's homicide rates WITH gun crime included.
A5scott

Trad climber
Chicago
Mar 23, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
jghedge, of those 12,000 or less gun murders each year, 75% of them are gangs and criminals killing each other. It's still bad, still murder, and still needs to be lower, but it's not the average lawful citizen doing all that damage. Consider that 75% to be your lawless 3rd world component of the violent gun criminals. Cartels and drug gangs and professional criminals fighting each other

that leaves about 3,000 or less gun murders by what once were lawful citizens. 3,000/310,000,000 that leave us at about 1/100,000


So you want to rid the US of guns because of all the criminal uses of guns. That's the same as getting rid of cars because drunk drivers kill 12,000 each year.

Not to mention, you are assuming the overall murder rate will fall dramatically without guns. It won't. There are already more murders not involving a gun then with a gun. No guns, that component will rise.



scott
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 23, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
You haven't ended any slaver.

All you've accomplished in the last 13 years is increased it dramatically.

Americans are so fuking stupid ......


Agreed. My friend works for www.exoduscry.org
Lots of work to do here.



I was using it as a point of how America turns to guns for issues. It may have done a better job to change slavery than it would to change gun ownership. And much more than it would do to change gun crime.
A5scott

Trad climber
Chicago
Mar 23, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
no jghedge, it shows that a small segment of criminals which does not nearly represent the majority of americans can cause some to place the blame on all guns and owners

scott
QITNL

climber
Mar 23, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
This isn't a debate. This is just a bunch of entitled grumpy old white men kicking and screaming to their graves.

Due to demographic shifts in our electorate, laws are going to change. Each of you is arguing from a minority viewpoint, one which loses credibility by the day. For this to be a real debate, 51% of the participants should be female. You ugly old men scared all the women away.

The fact that you have the hubris to trash a climbing forum with this nonsense - against the explicit wishes of your host, even - is further testament to your irrelevance and irresponsibility.

The entire thread is a troll, the guy who posted it quit the board long ago. On the bright side, it's probably healthy for you to blow off some steam. It keeps you out of trouble and ensures that you won't accomplish anything. The future is for the living.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 23, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
irony alert! ^^^^^^^
A5scott

Trad climber
Chicago
Mar 23, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
No, it's the way that numbers are interpreted. One could see that in the lead in to communist china when 45-60 million were killed, and might infer from the numbers that chinese as a whole, must be ultra violent and cruel to their neighbors. That would have been a wrong inference, as the crime and murders of their own people were committed by relatively few, that were the government. And don't read anything into that as me being an anarchist or anything like that, it's just an example that numbers need to be analyzed beyond the raw number

scott
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 23, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
You guys are pansies.
Real men have these.
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Hot aint it.
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philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 23, 2013 - 09:25pm PT

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pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Mar 23, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
Cuomo Says His NY Mag Law Should Be Repealed
March 21, 2013

“There is no such thing as a seven-bullet magazine. That doesn’t exist. So you really have no practical option,” New York Governor Andrew Cuomo admitted yesterday at a news conference, explaining why his tough ban on ammunition magazines over seven rounds should be repealed.

The bill must be repealed if New Yorkers ever want to purchase an ammunition magazine for their firearm.



SHHHH! Don't tell him.

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pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 24, 2013 - 01:47am PT
Credit: pyro
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 24, 2013 - 01:50am PT
Hey without a high cap mag it's just monkey business.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 24, 2013 - 02:11am PT
That's an Enfield. Well trained Brits could lay down an impressive rate of fire with those old bolt guns.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 24, 2013 - 02:15am PT
It is all killing in the end.

So much for evolution...



Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 24, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
So Ron, you're in Lyon County?

I always wanted to find and put up a route in Inyo County that had good face climbing, and then name it Inyo Face.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 24, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
the Lyon line?? ;^) Yes,, i dwell in Lyon county- the epicenter of defunct economies. Home of tweakers- gangers and nare do wells of all nature. Couldnt sleep last night so i took a drive through the houses of ill repute- there was 4 guys having a group grope- or a fight in the parking lot.. Gave me weird looks as i drove through them.. A while later i spotted my neighborhood grey fox- he was patrolling too.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 25, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
Just like SoCal...

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