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Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Feb 27, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Biden is such an idiot...He should just keep his mouth shut about guns since he obviously has no clue about them.


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 27, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
An interesting little bit of data from gun control in South Africa. This is from an article about Oscar Pistorius suggesting that by regulation he really shouldn't have had a permitted gun in the first place considering his history. You would think if a violent culture like that of south Africa could benefit from gun regulation, maybe a similar culture in America could do it too.


South Africa’s gun-control laws were the product of public debates in the late 1990s, when the country was revising its apartheid-era laws after the birth of democracy in 1994. Six weeks of public hearings were held, and many gun owners lobbied vigorously against the reforms. “It was a huge battle,” recalls Adele Kirsten, a gun-control activist who has written a book about the period.

The new law took effect in 2004, and gun owners turned in more than 100,000 firearms in a national amnesty program.

The gun-control policy, one of the toughest in the world, created a two-step process for getting a gun licence. Before applying for the licence, a would-be owner must obtain a “competency certificate,” including a gun-safety test and background checks to see if the applicant has a history of violence, addiction or other issues.

Even if the applicant does not have a criminal record, a licence can still be denied if the person was “visited by a police official concerning allegations of violence in the applicant’s home” or if the applicant “has been reported to the police or social services for alleged threatened or attempted violence or other conflict in the applicant’s home or elsewhere,” the regulations say.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/questions-swirl-around-how-pistorius-got-licence-for-gun-that-killed-girlfriend/article8995608/
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 28, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Current US gun laws don't even prohibit those convicted of many "minor" violent crimes from owning guns, never mind those accused or merely investigated. Another area of improvement that surely all can agree doesn't threaten the rights of any "law-abiding" citizen?

TE
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:04am PT
ahhh guilty without conviction or trial eh TE...

Thankfully your NO judge or jury or politician..
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:10am PT
What part of 'convicted' in 'convicted of many "minor" violent crimes' don't you understand, Ron?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:13am PT
what part of "merely investigated" dont you understand?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:15am PT
That's the comparison to South Africa, Ron. Try to focus. We first need to address those convicted of violent crime.

Don't you agree? Or is that a SLIPPERYSLOPEY.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:25am PT
there is no comparison of S Africa. There is no comparison with the UK either. THANKFULLY we are neither of those.

Now for all the blabbering going on these days,,and the quite obvious attempts by the mainstream media to exacerbate the issues, our Gun violence has been going down steadily.. But the govt is not happy with that- as they have a long term agenda.
Obviously they know things are better that they were 10 years ago but that is ignored, thrown under that table, and all manner of new laws are now being suggested to do one thing only. Make Innocent law abiding citizens into law breakers.


I just finished a seminar with a member of the CHP. When asked if he would participate in the taking of any ones guns,, he answered with a HELL NO> and further more stated that NOT ONE OFFICER HE KNOWS, throughout the various agencies will ever be involved in such actions.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Really, so we shouldn't consider improving our system because another country is doing it?

So you feel those convicted of "minor" violent crime should still be able to own guns?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Ah,, so,, you and the girlfeind are at a bar, when some guy bumps into her knocking her down, so you get in his face, and a fight ensues. Your charged as you threw the first punches. And convicted of a minor offense.

So now you should have rights stripped from you over that? B,,S....


That is like saying since you once got a ticket for reckless driving,, you should turn your license in, and never be allowed to drive a car again.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:33am PT
There will always be grey lines. That's what a court is for.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:39am PT
so in other words, you DONT agree with any and all minor violent crimes leading to the taking of gun rights.
new world order2

climber
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Guns:
First they will register.
Then they will regulate.
Then they will confiscate, all of them.

So too will it go with food. Mmmmm, I just love soy products and meatless Mondays.

So goes the new world order.

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:45am PT
nope.. In other words, im saying we already have a ton of laws on the books to cover all of this, and those have been working.. Im also saying govt is infamous for saying: " well this is working,, lets try something else"..




and NWO,, im thinking the confiscation plans have been dashed, as not one NHP, CHP, Local LEO , Natl Guard or military member ive asked will ever have anything to do with confiscation of guns from law abiding citizenry. Good Americans are always loyal to other good Americans first. Our govt now acts as a domestic enemy. That is becoming more clear by the day. They seek total control of the states and leave only pathetically small decisions to them. This is changing as i type.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:49am PT
"cover all of this". No we don't. A judge can't decide someone can't have a gun unless there is a law to back him up.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:56am PT
we HAVE those Mono.. Dont know if youve been keeping up with the Clark County legislature member whos been attempting to purchase a weapon after threatening other legislature members,, but hes been TURNED down and is not allowed to buy a weapon legally by the Dept of public safety..

This due to the fact he is a nut case,, and a democrat, although i dont know if that has anything to do with it or not.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Yes, we have laws against the mentally ill (nut case), but not for "minor" violent crime.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/27/idaho-lawmaker-force-all-adults-into-militias-to-protect-gun-rights/

Idaho lawmaker: Force all adults into militias to protect gun rights


By David Edwards
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 15:47 EST


A Republican lawmaker in Idaho has proposed an amendment to the state Constitution that would require all adults to be militia members in an effort to preserve their right to bear arms.

At a Idaho Senate State Affairs Committee on Wednesday, state Sen. Jim Rice (R) said that he feared that the U.S. Supreme Court would change the definition of the Second Amendment and allow the federal government to confiscate guns owned by individuals, according to The Associated Press.

But Rice argued that the federal government could never take away people’s guns if the Idaho Constitution was changed to make all adults members of the state militia as a “backstop.”


The Caldwell Republican hopes to let the voters decide on the amendment in the November 2014 election. Rice said that there was no issue that was more important to his constituents than gun rights.

Article XIV of the Idaho Constitution says that “[a]ll able-bodied male persons, residents of this state, between the ages of eighteen and forty-five years, shall be enrolled in the militia.” The section also provides an opportunity for conscientious objectors to opt-out of serving in the militia.

While Rice hasn’t offered specific language for his proposed amendment, he indicated that the age and gender requirements would be dropped, making all adults eligible for service.

“Today we held a print hearing on my proposed state constitutional amendment that will eliminate age and gender discrimination from our definition of the state militia,” the lawmaker wrote in a message posted to Twitter. “This will allow the state to backstop the individual right to keep and bear arms in an effective way that is supported by the reasoning in all the U.S. Supreme Court decisions.”

“We will actually run this concept next session since it needs to be on the 2014 general election ballot. The idea is that Idaho citizens get the opportunity to begin the discussion of this now.”

The National Rifle Association has endorsed Rice with an A rating. His Facebook page is filled with pro-gun postings, including a message about buying his wife handgun and videos of him shooting a fully-automatic Thompson submachine gun with his son earlier this year.


“The Thompson submachine gun is a very fun gun to shoot!” Rice wrote in a 2012 blog post.


Is this a good gun law?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
State militia. Yeah, thats good. For all able-bodied gun-owning adults. In addition to being a member, they should recieve military training, basic medical training, and disaster prep training. they could then be called upon in times of need. Hmm...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Love that video of Shacks, refutes Shotgun Joe convincingly.


Is the mention of Rice shooting the Thompson supposed to color him as a kook?
Hell, Thompsons are so heavy that you need to go full auto just to shoot them.


BTW, its nice to have a private range.
Here are ten 5.56mm holes from 134m
Credit: Toker Villain
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