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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
GUD shootin..
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
about an 8mph crosswind, noticeable even at that range
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
i was gonna comment about "windage" .. I could tell there was a crosser.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
Ah,, so,, you and the girlfeind are at a bar, when some guy bumps into her knocking her down, so you get in his face, and a fight ensues. Your charged as you threw the first punches. And convicted of a minor offense.

I'm fine with that example, sounds exactly the kind of person I don't want having a gun. I've gone 40 years without punching anybody, its not that hard.

I started the point with the story of some douchgebag who finds his ex-girlfriend with a new guy, pulls a gun on them, pistol whips the guy in front of the girlfriend and her kids, but even the charge of aggravated assault wouldn't make him ineligible to keep that gun. You think he should keep it?

TE


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
They should be looked at case by case, just like the laws are now.. There is zero need for the FEDS to post blanket policy. That is more ludicrous to more people than not. The dept of public safety just stopped a nutcase(Democrat legislative member) from buying a weapon here in Nevada. ZERO need for the feds interference here.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 28, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
It sounds like Nevada has its act together on the issue better than most states, or the Feds. I don't care whether a law is federal, state or local, especially for this type of issue where organized crime is not the concern, although I still don't see why a "moderately" violent criminal should be eligible to own a gun in one state but not another. One good thing about 50 separate state laws is that it would cost the NRA more to oppose them...

For laws intended to limit straw purchases, only federal laws will be effective because organized criminals will just go to the least restrictive states.

TE
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
"organized criminals" go to the black market, where fully auto weapons abound. They come in every day across a border to the south. Organized criminals exist VERY WELL where gun laws are the most restricted. See "Chicago" for further details.

Then look up the history of the name "Bloomberg" and apply that to the IRONY of a certain mayor. Coming from people that were disarmed and fed to ovens once upon a time.

TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 28, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Find me ANY reputable news source that reports significant smuggling of guns into the US. While you're at it look for anyone smuggling poppies into Afghanistan or cocaine into Columbia. The US supplies the entire world with illegal handguns.

TE





Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 28, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
The US supplies the entire world with illegal handguns.


I didn't know that the following companies (among others) had to first send their handguns to the US for them to be stolen (how else to make them "illegal") before then being shipped abroad;

FN
Sigg Saur
CZ
IMI
HK

(need I go on listing foreign makers of handguns?)

Just another ignorant person spouting hate and lies for what they don't understand or know.





edit for mono;
so it is not an inflammatory statement?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 1, 2013 - 12:06am PT
They should all just follow Joe's advice!

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/28/biden-advises-shooting-shotgun-through-door?vwo=2cn3

Wonder what the judge is going to think of that argument?
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Mar 1, 2013 - 12:31am PT
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Missing photo ID#292061
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 12:40am PT
"if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house."

 Joe Biden



Wow. That's a FELONY here in California.

That is so totally asinine that it makes Bush's duct-tape-and-Saran-Wrap plan look like a real plan.

This dumbshit is the Vice President? He doesn't know the law any better than that? What a dumbshit!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 12:45am PT
That was rather amazingly stupid,, even for Joey.. Obviously he knows nothing of the laws of self defense nor does he realize that firing two shots outside in the dark leaves you with nothing more than a club. Joey "double barrel" Biden LMAO!!
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 12:49am PT
I'd like to know the name of just ONE self-defense expert who advises firing random shots, just for the hell of it, like Biden suggests.

I know there's not a lawyer in the country who would advise such foolishness.

The cops will arrest you for it.

That's not what a gun is for.

But Biden thinks it's a good idea. What an ass-hole.

These know-nothing ass-holes like Biden are the ones who will be making any new gun laws.

If YOU support these know-nothing ass-holes like Biden, what does that make YOU?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 01:02am PT
putting Biden in charge of coming up with plans about guns is like the UN having Iraq be the "human rights" representative.. Cant make this shyt up...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 1, 2013 - 01:03am PT
An LA Times book review from last week:
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One of the 'Gun Guys'

Author Dan Baum discusses his new book, which aims to bring another perspective to the national debate by curating the thoughts of an eclectic collection of firearm owners.


By Carolyn Kellogg, Los Angeles Times
February 14, 2013, 2:10 p.m.


Dan Baum has an agenda. He wants you to listen to the guys who like guns particularly if you are an NPR-listening, Whole Foods-shopping progressive. That's how you could describe Baum, a former New Yorker staff writer and lefty down the line except for his love of rifles, revolvers and the rest.

"From the urban, educated effete liberal Democrat side of my world I'm hearing all of this disparaging of 'gun guys,' how stupid and awful they are," he says, speaking by phone from his home in Colorado. "These are conversations that for years I've endured as kind of like a closeted gay man listening to people talking about 'fags' and 'homos' I would just stay quiet."


Baum is bringing his weaponry out of the closet in "Gun Guys: A Road Trip," which Knopf is publishing March 5. In the book, he travels the country to meet some of America's 70 million to 80 million gun owners, talking to collectors and hunters, people concerned with self-defense and those who take pleasure in the skill of shooting. He gets a permit to carry a concealed weapon and explains the frisson, part power and part threat, of passing through daily life secretly armed.

His book arrives at an opportune moment. After highly publicized incidents of gun violence like the killing of six adults and 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary in December, gun control again becomes a topic of heated public debate.

"Both camps have driven each other so far apart that we can't talk about this stuff rationally, because it's tribal," says Baum.

Yet he tends to lay the blame at the feet of his liberal cohorts. "The anti-gun tribe thinks it can weaken the gun tribe by attacking the totem. By banning it, by making it invisible, by paring it down as much as it can."

With one foot in each camp, Baum sees himself as uniquely positioned to explain gun-lovers to gun-haters. "I just want people, when they think about these questions, to have listened to rational, calm, intelligent voices that they might not otherwise have encountered," he says. It is an eclectic lineup: a Texas pig hunter, a wealthy collector, a Hollywood gun prop house and the man who founded Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

Baum's book about New Orleans after Katrina, "Nine Lives," also wove together the voices of the people he interviewed; he draws out his subjects, despite his own strong opinions.While his interviewees in "Gun Guys" provide an interesting narrative, the most enlightening element of the book may be its clear explanation of some of the basics of contemporary gun ownership.

Many gun-control advocates suggest banning assault rifles; Baum points out that the most popular gun in America today is the Bushmaster AR-15: It's modular, highly customizable, lightweight and easy to shoot well.

"It's the only gun anybody wants," Baum says. And what is an AR-15? An assault rifle.

"Far from being some kind of bizarre anomaly of the gun business, it is the absolute heart of the gun business: the most popular gun and the most profitable gun," Baum says. "So if you're wondering why even Barack Obama has backed off from the assault-rifle ban, that's why."

If the question "Who needs an assault rifle?" seems entirely rational to his liberal friends, to most American gun owners it sounds like a direct attack. For Angelenos, the equivalent might be "Who needs a car?" If technically we don't need one, the question seems like a threat to our core way of living.

"Gun guys are not like camera buffs; they're not like fly fishermen, not like car buffs. It's deep, it's really deep," he explains. "I was really trying to figure out why these things move us, why they are so important to us."

Baum's own love affair with guns began at age 5; at summer camp he discovered he had a natural aptitude for target shooting. He was attracted to the physicality of guns and charmed by the James Bond mythology he associated with them.

But in his liberal suburb, the late '60s brought a schism between the weapons and his world. "I was against the [Vietnam] war too, and aspired to the hippie aesthetic as much as any other sixth-grader," he writes. "But that didn't keep me from liking guns. To me, they were separate."

This separation between guns and violence is an essential part of Baum's world view. As he details the way guns make him feel, one thing becomes clear: He finds power in carrying but not using a weapon. "Out on the street, I felt vigilant, aloof from petty animosities," he writes. He eschews verbal engagement when secretly armed and he says it's not just him.

"Gun guys derive a tremendous amount of self-esteem from being able to live alongside these incredibly dangerous things without anybody getting hurt," he says.

He imagines the thought process this way: "I can live with guns, I can travel around with guns, I can take them to the range and shoot guns, I can teach children to shoot guns, I can hunt with guns, I can carry a gun, and nobody gets hurt. Because I am competent and careful and enough of a sheepdog to manage this incredibly lethal thing."

The juxtaposition of the lethal potential of guns with the feeling of power they impart is apparent in the tragic story of Brandon Franklin, a promising young man Baum had met in New Orleans while working on "Nine Lives."A few years later, when Baum was working on this gun book, Franklin was murdered during a dispute with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. Brandon had not been carrying a gun; the other man had.

"The unknowable that really tortured me," Baum writes, "was this: if Brandon had been formally inducted into the sheepdog cadre and had had a legal gun concealed on his person.... Might the gun have saved his life without ever being drawn?"

The inverse, of course, is the other side of the debate: Wouldn't his life have been saved if his murderer hadn't carried one at all?

carolyn.kellogg@latimes.com


Copyright 2013, Los Angeles Times

Gun Guys: A Road Trip
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 01:18am PT
STFU hedge. You have nothing new. Never did answer how much pot you smoke either...?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 01:22am PT
jghedge owns no guns. He doesn't shoot. His opinions on guns carry equal weight as LEB's opinions on climbing.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 01:39am PT
Your England numbers add up to nothing. If you knew anything about guns, you'd see that. But you own no guns, and you don't shoot. Therefore, you have no knowledge.
QITNL

climber
Mar 1, 2013 - 01:50am PT
Why don't you guys take this to an appropriate forum? Don't have the guts? Or you don't have the guts to shut up? What's your problem?

Each and every time ANY of you bump this thread, you bring down the climbing stoke in this joint. Pathetic.

And if you want to say "just ignore it" well, maybe I could, but when a bunch of old white dudes keep waving their scrawny old dicks in your face, it's just NASTY.

You disrespect CMac, you disrespect Big Mike, you disrespect a lot of us.

Go dry hump each other somewhere else. Thank you.
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