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TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 1, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Everybody supports sensible limitations and reasonable regulations. Not just military vets.

Gun owners apparently don't, because their de facto mouthpiece opposes background checks, so unless gun owners find a new way to express themselves, letting the NRA do the talking is going to hand the next election to the democrats.

TE


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 1, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
That's fine. The corrolary would be to separate out gang and non gang violence in the US. From FBI.gov:

Already sorta did that way up thread.


Non Hispanic Caucasian gun death rates for the US are about the same as Belgium.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
Huh... Im a gun owner and I happen to think the NRA opposition to background checks is idiotic. I also disagree with their stance on putting armed guards in schools, and let my membership lapse so long ago its fuzzy in my memory.
So dont automatically assume they,re the defacto mouthpiece for all firearm ownership.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 1, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
So dont automatically assume they,re the defacto mouthpiece for all firearm ownership.
Until another organization with 5 million members exists to give a political voice (i.e campaign donations) to moderate gun owners, the only organized mouthpiece gun owners have is through the extremism of the NRA.

TE
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
The NRA is simply abiding by the constitution. We already have a brady back ground check. They are being no more extreme than idgets like Fienstien or Bloomberg- mr. "i outlawed 20 0z cokes"...
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Yes, we do have a brady background. It actually prevents quite a number of prohibited persons from legally acquiring firearms. So for the NRA to come out with some crap about how background checks don't work is about on par with the VP advising his wife to shoot randomly into the dark with a shotgun. In neither case do I want these people leading the decisions in matters of importance in this country.
Ignorance and extremism are some great quality trademarks of the militant Muslim faction as well.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 1, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
From a professionally oriented blog, a few comments to a post that speak for themselves.

I am very concerned about the domestic threat and domestic response language that is appearing in our doctrine and CONOPS documents. We are openly building a capability to counter this perceived threat and we are apparently putting into place the institutional mechanism to execute it without question when the time comes. This goes way beyond the Support to Civil Authorities (Garden Plot) missions that we have had for years. Army officers are now writing about this in outside publications and our doctrinal manuals are being crafted to include this as an integral part of Army 2020. We should all be worried, because once we have trained a generation of leaders that this is a legitimate use of military power, the politicians will be able to wield a big stick at their whim.



The stunning numbers and incredible spread of different armed federal law enforcement agencies and officers (and to a lesser extent, large municipal police forces) are the very standing Army that our founders feared.

The long US paranoia against domestic standing armies has long held the actual US Army in check. But government, being government, found a way to outflank that traditional aversion.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
Hill rat, here in NV we also have the dept of public safety. We have redundancy in our checks. We DONT need a brady check to BUY AMMO. Ill be dang if im gonna pay an extra 25.00 and wait for an hour to buy a box..
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
VP's suggestion wasn't the best, but certainly not the worst. Unless you're expecting someone specifically intent on murdering you, a gun fired in the air is likely to convince 99% of burglars to leave, maybe if Oscar Pistoris had tried that approach he'd still be a free man with a beautiful girlfriend now (where's the sarcasm emoticon?). The only person I know who's ever drawn a gun to tackle a burglar found himself muzzle to muzzle with his own father, neither expected anyone else at home, luckily both learned an important lesson.

When I had guns at home, my plan if I had heard an intruder downstairs was to fire one barrel down the stairs, and if the MF kept coming upstairs after hearing a 12 gauge fired indoors, use the second barrel to shoot out the bedroom window and jump! Anyone who's experienced a shotgun fired indoors without ear protection will know what I mean. Of course that was in a country where the chance of a burglar carrying a gun was zero.

Finally, complete BS claiming that firing in the air to alert others of an intruder in your home would result in felony charges. Cops would be much happier dealing with an attempted burglary than the mess of a dead burglar or dead homeowner.

TE






Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Can you name just one self-defense expert who recomends firing "warning" shots? At any time, or for any reason?

It's a felony here in California. You'll get three years in The Joint for doing it. We're pretty lenient, by comparison. In Florida, people get 20 years for firing off warning shots.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
poor TE,, needs to review his local statutes..


wonder if double barrel Biden hunts by shooting at "noise" in the bushes too?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
I agree Ron, background checks on ammo would be a bit ridiculous. Expanding background checks to all sales would be a PITA with the current model. If they do that, then they should alter the system to something automated that a private party can also utilize.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
Cheney already proved conclusively you don't fire until you've identified your target and the backdrop.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
lol, there is no felony in deliberately missing in self defense in CA. Whether it's advisable or not is another topic.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
perhaps not a felony, but discharge of a fire arm in city limits or occupied areas is normally an offense. Dishcarging a weapon at un identified or unkowns in the dark is just stupid.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
We are talking self-defense here. Pay attention.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
Hillrat writes:

"Cheney already proved conclusively you don't fire until you've identified your target and the backdrop."


Yes. Cheney does a hell of a lot more to advance the cause of gun safety by serving as a bad example than the curent Vice President does by giving us his wrong, dangerous, and illegal advice.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Warning shots are not considered self defense. ( look it up ) It's a felony in California.

Besides, it's a waste of ammunition.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
What's the difference between a warning shot and a miss. I just missed.

Do ya get charged for missing?

In fact, if you deliberately missed and then the perp then runs away, and you shoot him in the back, in CA you will be charged. Maybe in Florida too, depending on how stand your ground applies.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
No, Monolith. You won't be charged for your misses, IF you are firing in a legitimate self-defense situation. Just don't admit to firing to scare someone, like Joe Biden suggests, because that's both reckless and illegal.

In other words, the only time your "warning" shots would be legal would be the same time deadly force is legal. Walking out on your deck, and blasting both barrels just to make noise, like Biden suggests, is totally illegal and will earn you a few years in prison if you're that stupid.
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