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TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:39am PT
I don't have a problem with Gramps old 22, or anything else getting taken away. I don't necessarily want it either, I'm fully in support of responsible gun ownership for self defense in the home, and subject to extensive training and regular re-assessment, even concealed weapons in public places for a deserving few.

The claim is that law-abiding people will be prosecuted if laws like this are introduced is absurd. A law-abiding citizen will follow the law, even if they don't agree with it. There is a process in place for the courts to determine whether a law is constitutional or not, it's not tyranny, it's democracy.

TE
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:43am PT
TE,, citizens, when deciding they want something, have NO TROUBLE becoming law breakers. Weve seen that throughout the prohibitions era, and have seen that with POT for as long as ive been alive. We see that daily with drinking and driving. Dont think guns will be any different, cus they wont be. Im not giving mine up for any body , govt or law..
jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:43am PT
"Then YOU might just have to turn in Gramps ol 22 you were shooting the other day. And DONT think for a minute that isnt long term goals of many."

You're catching on - good for you. Society always becomes more liberal, and less conservative, over time, and liberals always win on social issues. And 12,000 gun deaths a year is a social issue.

And the harder idiots like you fight against gun control, the quicker it'll happen. Your kind blew up churches in the South in the 60's too, which led to integration and the banning of Jim Crow laws faster than anything liberals could possibly have done on their own.

The stupider the arguments your kind makes in defense of gun ownership, the more apparent it is that your kind shouldn't be armed in the first place, and the quicker we'll get guns outlawed.

So keep up the good liberal work, Rong!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:45am PT
weapons which have no purpose in personal self-defense

TradEddie will now detail his extensive training and combat experience,..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 15, 2013 - 10:10am PT
So now the other Rong is equating personal self-defense with combat experience?
jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 10:21am PT
"So now the other Rong is equating personal self-defense with combat experience?"

Gun nuts don't make that distinction - yet another perfect example of why they shouldn't have guns, and why they should be outlawed.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Feb 15, 2013 - 10:23am PT
So after all this
And after we all said the same thing over and over 1000 times now

That No one is going to take away any one's guns

These stupid ass gun nut's are still saying that they are afraid that the Gov. is going to take away their guns, and only the criminals will have guns

What a bunch of paranoid nut jobs

We can't even get a ban on assault guns, and all of sudden the Gov. is now preparing to take your totally legal guns??

The assault ban would be for Future Gun purchases, if you have one already, it's not illegal to own, can you understand how laws work

The Slippery Slope argument
You guys have slippery goo for brains,
you're all a bunch of idiots, like Mechrist and Hedge say
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 15, 2013 - 10:25am PT
uhhh doc,, guess you didnt see the post about MO democrats wanting to ban previously owned weaponry in MO? Or NY?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 15, 2013 - 10:29am PT
It is funny because the other Rong made a HUGE stink about the DHS using the term "personal weapon" to describe the AR-15. Reading the spew he regurgitated from the gun-nut blogs, you'd think it was part of Obama's elaborate plan to take over the country.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 15, 2013 - 10:31am PT
You're saying an AR-15 is a crew served weapon?

OK. If you say so.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Dear Chaz, you fuking idiot, I said there was a perfectly reasonable explanation for the DHS calling them "personal weapons" on their invoice because they are clearly NOT "crew served weapons." They are assigned to and used by a person, not a crew.

Rong thought the DHS calling them "personal weapons" was just another example of Obama's devious tyrannical plan. Meanwhile the other Rong attempts to equate personal self-defense at home with combat experience.

Rong:
Perhaps this is a dandy example of tyranny, that the govt in ITS desires can classify such a weapon as "personal defense" while wanting the citizenry to have gramps double barrel 12 gauge.

No doubt our soldiers need personal assault weapons. No way our citizens do. Personal self-defense does not require combat experience.

F U K I N G I D I O T S
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:09am PT
Your kind blew up churches in the South in the 60's too, which led to integration and the banning of Jim Crow laws faster than anything liberals could possibly have done on their own.

Hedge you cross the line here with this bs.

First of all the Jim Crow laws were largely fought for by southern democrats. George Wallace was a democrat.

// " I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. "

Democrat Senator - Robert Byrd (the longest serving member of Congress in US history, who launched his political career as a KKK leader.) //

I was raised by a man, my stepfather, who was a freedom rider in the late 1950s. Do you know about the freedom riders? Those people put their money where their mouth was on the issue of desegregation, my stepfather spent one year in Parchman State Prison in Mississippi for the crime of entering a "colored" bathroom (then he refused bail for as long as possible.) The same man also taught me to shoot, and hunt, and gave me my first gun, a 30-30 lever action rifle.

I am simply disgusted by this ongoing bullshit that somehow relatively conservative views lead to racism. "Your kind..." etc. A load of crap. There are racist people in all walks of life.

If you know anything about the history of gun control laws, then you know that Missouri was the first state to enact gun control and the reason behind it was racial. The white folks were terrified of the idea that the newly freed slaves would get guns and run wild.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:16am PT
fer shyts sake wessie, yur trying to make an arguement out of a sarcastic "phrase" as if it meant anything other than just that. A mountain out of a pimple, that is your brain. You seem to do this regularly. As well as hurl your nonstop foul mouthed insults. You remind me of our crazy legislature member from Vegas,, also a democrat.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:34am PT
I've been looking at and considering purchase of a CA-10. Any constructive commentary from fear, Ron A, Toker and other enthusiasts?

http://www.christensenarms.com/products/ca-10-recon/
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:39am PT
The whole idea of "people like you" and reference in general to anyone with differing points of view as being "the enemy" runs contrary to the entire idea of healthy, civil, logical debate. Now lately, most of that bullshit's been coming from the right. I even saw a bumper sticker that read "if guns are outlawed how can we shoot the liberals?" and I just shook my head in disgust.
Then again, mechrist and jhedge, among others, sure aren't bringing much to the table with the "FUKING IDIOTS" type of comment. How, sir, can that possibly foster rational conversation and a willingness to consider your point of view when it causes resentment, entrenchment, and disappointment for your disdain of political opponent's life experiences?

Guess I better start hoarding ammo, 'cause when the sh#t goes down yer all going to pull that "with us or against us" bullshit and all I
'm gonna be is everyone else' target for walkin the line.

Whoops... almost forgot this is a climbing forum.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Ksolem said:

First of all the Jim Crow laws were largely fought for by southern democrats. George Wallace was a democrat.

true

and then the Civil Rights Act was passed, and Wallace and damn near every Democrat in the South instantly became a Republican

"with the passage of the Civil Rights Bill" we have lost the South for generations"
President Johnson
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:41am PT
TradEddie will now detail his extensive training and combat experience,..

I never claimed combat experience, my military experience is more than either candidate in the last election, possibly more than the previous President, but still irrelevant. We're talking home defense, if you want to defend the US, see your nearest recruiting office, they have ample supplies of the weapons you want.

Please provide any REASONABLE home defense scenario where the inability to own an assault weapon would have any likely effect on the outcome.

TE
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:44am PT
Ksolem said:

my stepfather spent one year in Parchman State Prison in Mississippi for the crime of entering a "colored" bathroom


no sh!t?

I assume your stepfather was white, he entered a "Colored Only" bathroom and was put in prison for a YEAR?


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Please provide any REASONABLE home defense scenario where the inability to own an assault weapon would have any likely effect on the outcome.

it's not about "reasonable" discussion

it's about ME and the Slippery Slope of Fear

smoke reefer and you WILL end up a Heroin addict

talk about universal background checks and the Feds WILL come to my home and take away my Bushmaster

I have four guns, a CCL permit and carry all the time, and I am NOT worried about ANY legislation short of taking my now legal personal defense weapons away

and no one is talking about doing that
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:51am PT
hillrat, the fuking idiots comments have nothing to do with them owning guns or their political views. It has everything to do with the fuking idiotic arguments they make (imagine straw men learning to ski).

See norton's comment for a summary. (note: norton is not a fuking idiot)
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