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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
No Ron,

Repeat, the house Repubs controll ALL gov spending

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
Anderson, google S-A-R-C-A-S-M.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
So Obama comes up with dream acts and amnesties and the repubs wanted those jailed illegals freed? In other words, its a dem and repub thing?;-)


no Ron

President Obama did not "come up" with the Dream Act, it has been discussed for at least 30 years
He simply said that he would support such legislation IF congress passed it.

And no, President Obama did not "come up" with "amnesty".

Republican President REAGAN gave AMNESTY to 15 million illegals.

so, NO, it was a NOT a "dem or repub thing"
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
How do stricter regulations on gun sales infringe on anyone's right to have or bear arms?



The fact that my local LEOs can do NOTHING about illegals being "known" gang members here until AFTER they commit a crime and get caught also tells me the real story

What is the REAL story Ron?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
i was told it is current FED policies that prevent them from rounding up those illegal gang bagers and bussing them back over baja

You mean FED policies like...

In Yick Wo v. Hopkins, a case involving the rights of Chinese immigrants, the Court ruled that the 14th Amendment's statement, "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws," applied to all persons "without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality," and to "an alien, who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population, although alleged to be illegally here."

Now if I was an illegal in mexico doing those crimes,, my head would be on a fence post and my ass would be planted sunny side up.

Yeah, those damn FED regulations really suck. We should be more like Mexico.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
I don't know how anyone in their right mind would vote for Republicans to cut funding so that illegals are forced to be released.


And Ron?

Are you actually trying to criticize the Dream Act?

You DO know what it says don't you?

There just is no valid reason to not give children a path to citizenship. They are here anyway, and I want them paying taxes and reporting crime, not hiding in the shadows and not reporting crime for fear of being arrested.

Amnesty, the great Republican FAILURE. 15 million illegals given amnesty thanks to Republican Reagan.

But at least THIS time around, illegals will NOT be given amnesty. And they will not be "rounded up" like cattle and sent back to El Salvador or whatever. This time around it looks like both Repubs and Dems will get together and pass a bill that finally deals with all those people NOT paying taxes and reporting crimes. It will be tough, learn English, pay a fine, join the US military, get a college education, pass a civics test that 90% of Americans could not pass, and take years to go through it all.

You damn right this has to be dealt with, it's time. We need their tax dollars.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
So more current policies trump the 14th amendment?

The Dream Act sounds like a good idea to me. Ron, you have any RELEVANT criticisms of the Dream Act... preferably based on facts and rooted in reality?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
along with that we get a 65% serious crime ratio..

Why not limit gun purchases to ~ 1 or 2 a year, at least until we get the immigration thing under control? Surely it will reduce the flow of guns to criminals while still allowing responsible gun owners to purchase sufficient firepower to protect themselves.

What is a 65% serious crime ratio?


mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?

I don't think they should be allowed to stay. I think only those who are willing and determined to contribute to society should be allowed to stay. What do you suggest we do? Maybe some laws that make gang membership illegal in order to justify shipping them back or incarcerating them? Maybe just round up anyone who looks like they might be in said gang and ship them back?

What does gang membership have to do with being able to easily buy guns? You know the gangs are around. You have guns for self-protection. Do you need to run down to the gun store and buy a couple more a week depending on how many gang members you see on your way to the supermarket?

The black market is already flourishing... ask Chaz... mainly because anyone with a clean record can purchase 2 guns a week and sell them on the streets... EASY. NOT the case in England or ANY OTHER country with strict gun laws.

Prohibition of alcohol was an entirely different issue. Nobody was using alcohol specifically to kill others.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
I in my simplistic view... But thats just me.

Yep. Luckily many Merkins realize it ain't that easy.

Maybe you should just get all Gran Torino on their asses...

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
I trust you. I'm sure you can just tell who's who and will only deal with those who pose a real problem. When you are done with that, maybe you could do something about the hippies and freaks and homos?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
What would you call this new gang of yours? I want to make sure I am easily recognized as part of your gang and not theirs.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
2nd amendment's got, probably, 12 more years before it gets repealed.


Hubris

conceit born of arrogance and naive insistant wishful thinking

nice, Joe, it's your only weakness and you just can't let it go

I got $10,000 that says you are flat wrong, I put MY money where my mouth is

how about it Joe? You are SO sure of yourself to state your "prediction" as a fact

wanna bet?
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
We had a lockdown at my school today for about 3 hours. That means nobody leaves the classroom, the lights are out, silence, students taking cover (literally) on the floor. (Try enforcing that with a bunch of 15 year olds)

Apparently, some students reported another student had brought a handgun on the school bus, and was showing it off along with a fully loaded ammo clip.

This kind of crap freaks me out as a teacher, but . . .

Let's look at the gun legislation currently being proposed: Background checks, and a ban on "assault weapons".

This kid was certainly not the owner of this firearm, so any kind of background check would not have done anything to stop him from bringing a gun to school. Likewise with Adam Lanza.

This was a handgun, so I don't think it would be covered under any of the legislation being proposed.

Original reports of the Sandy Hook massacre said they had recovered 3 or 4 handguns from the school building. They also reported (originally) that the assault weapon was recovered from Lanza's vehicle. They even showed footage of officers removing what looked like some kind of rifle from the trunk of a car. I only mention this because I remember watching the extensive news coverage that day, but you can also find these initial news reorts on the internet.

The situation at my school today could not have been prevented by any of the gun legislation currently being proposed, and it is doubtful that it would have stopped Adam Lanza either.

What do you think are the chances we could get a ban on handguns (which are responsible for the vast majority of gun murders)? Eh? What was that? About ZERO.

So, if we think we are going to solve the problem of gun violence by simply focusing on a one dimensional approach - gun control - we are seriously deluded.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
Why does it always have to come down to the Mexican.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
So, if we think we are going to solve the problem of gun violence by simply focusing on a one dimensional approach - gun control - we are seriously deluded.

From my readings of the Federal registar, I was not aware that any proposed gun legislation would be one dimensional

In fact, banning or not banning any single of weapons is not even being considered

what is being talked about is universal background checks and tougher straw buyer penalties

there will also be much strong tracing of weapons, money for mental illness data checks, etc

got any other ideas?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
Let's look at the gun legislation currently being proposed: Background checks, and a ban on "assault weapons".

This kid was certainly not the owner of this firearm, so any kind of background check would not have done anything to stop him from bringing a gun to school.

bbbut, background checks don't appear in your list of currently proposed legislation.

Anyway, where do you think he got it? Serious question. Probably stole it right? From dad or uncle or brother or those of a friend? I'm guessing if/when they trace that gun it belongs to someone who purchased it legally... with no test required to ensure any level of responsibility... no licensing... nothing to ensure safe storage... no insurance... etc.

Just like Lanza.

When I built my deck I had to make an appointment with the County for a safety inspection... for a fuking deck, but not for guns! They measured how far of a drop it was to ensure it met County codes for safety. Why not anything like that for killing machines?
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
When I was a young teen I got my first weapons. You Americans are going to have daddy take all your guns away because even as adults you are inherently less able to own weapons than 13-year old me. No personal responsibility, just blanket laws.



I'm sorry your government has persuaded some of you to think this way!




mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
You don't understand tooth, it is just like Mexico down here.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
I understand what it is like in San Bernardino with guns being put to women's heads outside my apartment window, swat and helicopters showing up in the night, etc. I shot in the US a lot, but moved to where the government will treat me with respect and punish the dummies - instead of treating everyone like cattle and taking away everyone's toys because some meathead did something stupid.


At the time it was very similar to life in Mexico from the time I spent there. You are able to pull news stories for incidences that don't happen in your neighborhood but make the news because they are newsworthy (novel) which, if they happened every day in the US, wouldn't make the news. That doesn't mean those two areas are more similar to each other than any other 2 areas I have seen.


I don't disagree with the stats that say removing all the guns will remove all the deaths by gun. But I feel bad for people who are rapidly loosing so much freedom because some dummy crashed a plane into a building or shot someone. I flew to the Bahamas the other day for work, stayed out of the US airports and TSA, it was a wonderful experience! It was fun, like traveling used to be in the US. Airports aren't the only thing changing down there, but since you are so populated and squished into cities and have such a herd mentality - blanket rules and a nanny state will be your future. 12 years I'd say!
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