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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Really, so we shouldn't consider improving our system because another country is doing it?

So you feel those convicted of "minor" violent crime should still be able to own guns?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Ah,, so,, you and the girlfeind are at a bar, when some guy bumps into her knocking her down, so you get in his face, and a fight ensues. Your charged as you threw the first punches. And convicted of a minor offense.

So now you should have rights stripped from you over that? B,,S....


That is like saying since you once got a ticket for reckless driving,, you should turn your license in, and never be allowed to drive a car again.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:33am PT
There will always be grey lines. That's what a court is for.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:39am PT
so in other words, you DONT agree with any and all minor violent crimes leading to the taking of gun rights.
new world order2

climber
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Guns:
First they will register.
Then they will regulate.
Then they will confiscate, all of them.

So too will it go with food. Mmmmm, I just love soy products and meatless Mondays.

So goes the new world order.

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:45am PT
nope.. In other words, im saying we already have a ton of laws on the books to cover all of this, and those have been working.. Im also saying govt is infamous for saying: " well this is working,, lets try something else"..




and NWO,, im thinking the confiscation plans have been dashed, as not one NHP, CHP, Local LEO , Natl Guard or military member ive asked will ever have anything to do with confiscation of guns from law abiding citizenry. Good Americans are always loyal to other good Americans first. Our govt now acts as a domestic enemy. That is becoming more clear by the day. They seek total control of the states and leave only pathetically small decisions to them. This is changing as i type.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:49am PT
"cover all of this". No we don't. A judge can't decide someone can't have a gun unless there is a law to back him up.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:56am PT
we HAVE those Mono.. Dont know if youve been keeping up with the Clark County legislature member whos been attempting to purchase a weapon after threatening other legislature members,, but hes been TURNED down and is not allowed to buy a weapon legally by the Dept of public safety..

This due to the fact he is a nut case,, and a democrat, although i dont know if that has anything to do with it or not.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Yes, we have laws against the mentally ill (nut case), but not for "minor" violent crime.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/27/idaho-lawmaker-force-all-adults-into-militias-to-protect-gun-rights/

Idaho lawmaker: Force all adults into militias to protect gun rights


By David Edwards
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 15:47 EST


A Republican lawmaker in Idaho has proposed an amendment to the state Constitution that would require all adults to be militia members in an effort to preserve their right to bear arms.

At a Idaho Senate State Affairs Committee on Wednesday, state Sen. Jim Rice (R) said that he feared that the U.S. Supreme Court would change the definition of the Second Amendment and allow the federal government to confiscate guns owned by individuals, according to The Associated Press.

But Rice argued that the federal government could never take away people’s guns if the Idaho Constitution was changed to make all adults members of the state militia as a “backstop.”


The Caldwell Republican hopes to let the voters decide on the amendment in the November 2014 election. Rice said that there was no issue that was more important to his constituents than gun rights.

Article XIV of the Idaho Constitution says that “[a]ll able-bodied male persons, residents of this state, between the ages of eighteen and forty-five years, shall be enrolled in the militia.” The section also provides an opportunity for conscientious objectors to opt-out of serving in the militia.

While Rice hasn’t offered specific language for his proposed amendment, he indicated that the age and gender requirements would be dropped, making all adults eligible for service.

“Today we held a print hearing on my proposed state constitutional amendment that will eliminate age and gender discrimination from our definition of the state militia,” the lawmaker wrote in a message posted to Twitter. “This will allow the state to backstop the individual right to keep and bear arms in an effective way that is supported by the reasoning in all the U.S. Supreme Court decisions.”

“We will actually run this concept next session since it needs to be on the 2014 general election ballot. The idea is that Idaho citizens get the opportunity to begin the discussion of this now.”

The National Rifle Association has endorsed Rice with an A rating. His Facebook page is filled with pro-gun postings, including a message about buying his wife handgun and videos of him shooting a fully-automatic Thompson submachine gun with his son earlier this year.


“The Thompson submachine gun is a very fun gun to shoot!” Rice wrote in a 2012 blog post.


Is this a good gun law?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
State militia. Yeah, thats good. For all able-bodied gun-owning adults. In addition to being a member, they should recieve military training, basic medical training, and disaster prep training. they could then be called upon in times of need. Hmm...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Love that video of Shacks, refutes Shotgun Joe convincingly.


Is the mention of Rice shooting the Thompson supposed to color him as a kook?
Hell, Thompsons are so heavy that you need to go full auto just to shoot them.


BTW, its nice to have a private range.
Here are ten 5.56mm holes from 134m
Credit: Toker Villain
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
GUD shootin..
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
about an 8mph crosswind, noticeable even at that range
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
i was gonna comment about "windage" .. I could tell there was a crosser.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
Ah,, so,, you and the girlfeind are at a bar, when some guy bumps into her knocking her down, so you get in his face, and a fight ensues. Your charged as you threw the first punches. And convicted of a minor offense.

I'm fine with that example, sounds exactly the kind of person I don't want having a gun. I've gone 40 years without punching anybody, its not that hard.

I started the point with the story of some douchgebag who finds his ex-girlfriend with a new guy, pulls a gun on them, pistol whips the guy in front of the girlfriend and her kids, but even the charge of aggravated assault wouldn't make him ineligible to keep that gun. You think he should keep it?

TE


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
They should be looked at case by case, just like the laws are now.. There is zero need for the FEDS to post blanket policy. That is more ludicrous to more people than not. The dept of public safety just stopped a nutcase(Democrat legislative member) from buying a weapon here in Nevada. ZERO need for the feds interference here.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 28, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
It sounds like Nevada has its act together on the issue better than most states, or the Feds. I don't care whether a law is federal, state or local, especially for this type of issue where organized crime is not the concern, although I still don't see why a "moderately" violent criminal should be eligible to own a gun in one state but not another. One good thing about 50 separate state laws is that it would cost the NRA more to oppose them...

For laws intended to limit straw purchases, only federal laws will be effective because organized criminals will just go to the least restrictive states.

TE
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
"organized criminals" go to the black market, where fully auto weapons abound. They come in every day across a border to the south. Organized criminals exist VERY WELL where gun laws are the most restricted. See "Chicago" for further details.

Then look up the history of the name "Bloomberg" and apply that to the IRONY of a certain mayor. Coming from people that were disarmed and fed to ovens once upon a time.

TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 28, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Find me ANY reputable news source that reports significant smuggling of guns into the US. While you're at it look for anyone smuggling poppies into Afghanistan or cocaine into Columbia. The US supplies the entire world with illegal handguns.

TE





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