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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
Look up the frequency of road rage incidents where people use vehicles as weapons, even on pedestrians or people in their own yards.

Hold on for the strawman sleigh ride! weeeee


Maybe Canada is a better choice for comparison.

Doesn't have the population density. Violent crime and population density are correlated. Which is why UK having 3x the population density (and, as expected, 3x the violent crime rate) but 1/3 the gun deaths says it all.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Joe Hedge stated:
And the NRA is right - gun control laws don't work, they're instituted state-by-state, which means nothing.

really, Joe?

then explain to me WHY Alaska has THE loosest gun laws and THE highest gun death rate

and Massachusetts has THE toughest gun laws and THE lowest gun death rate


explain how "gun laws don't work", Joe, when confronted with directly 100% contradictory evidence that proves you WRONG

Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
That's an interesting graph and you make a good point. It's much more effective than frothing at the mouth.

Still, outlawing guns and and repealing the 2nd amendment is politically not feasible or realistic in this country. Better for reasonable realistic people to come up with reasonable and realistic solutions.

Guns will NEVER be outlawed in this country. Ever.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Dunno. Right now I'm off to sushi though. I'll debate later if you like. Other wise happy frothing.

D
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
What's the per capita gun ownership rate in those states? Any chance it correlates with higher/lower gun deaths?

you just defeated your own contention, Joe, not even a good try

think about it

the REASON for the direct correlation IS BECAUSE the stricter and looser gun laws ARE IN PLACE

Jesus, Joe

you are getting irrational, unreasonable, and blindly insistent in your "righteousness"

why if one did not know better one would take you for a "conservative"
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Norton,, how does that FENCE feel in yer butt-crack? Its all gud as long as it doesnt interfere with YOUR particular gun tastes and rights - right?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
wow,, da poop is piling up here.. wessie,, youve been an insulting prick from the git go.

fer shyts sake rong, yur trying to make an arguement out of a few sarcastic "phrases"

Guns will NEVER be outlawed in this country. Ever.

True dat. Which makes the gun nuts that much more idiotic.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Norton,, how does that FENCE feel in yer butt-crack? Its all gud as long as it doesnt interfere with YOUR particular gun tastes and rights - right?

Ron, I have to ask you to be more specific?

knowing you and I don't agree on just about anything.....

are you trying to insult me again or actually agreeing with me on something?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 15, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
Screw you guys. I'm going climbing tomorrow. Probably have a gun and/or a dog with me, like usual. Maybe a beer, maybe a sandwich. But I won't be here.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Feb 15, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
I wish I could go climbing tomorrow, too much snow hanging around still. Better take my new gun out!
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
Having too much fun with new Quarks in lovely Ouray to debate with anyone. Strangely enough I don't know if I've ever gotten my balls groped in Montrose by the TSA on the way out. I can only hope.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 15, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
Norton,
Alaska is a special case. Everybody has a powerful handgun or a riot gun and, combined with the suicide inducing winters, rates will be higher than Malibu.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 16, 2013 - 12:12am PT
true, Ron

however, even excluding Alaska from the correlations between gun laws and gun deaths,
the facts remain clear that the states with the most restrictive gun laws have few gun deaths, and the states with the most restrictive gun laws, like Mass, have the least deaths

but you already know this from your review of the wikipedia gun laws and deaths per states rankings of all 50 states

of course this has nothing to do with the current effort to find some reasonable ways to possible mitigate mass murder such as Aurora and Sandy Hook

I can't think of anyone who does not agree that it better to do something rather than nothing, as long as MY GUNS ARE NOT TAKEN AWAY

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 16, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
"After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia.

king fuking idiot!


In the five days following Hurricane Sandy, there were no homicides at all in New York City

Is that true? If so, very cool. I recall reports of civility for a couple days after, followed by assurances that it would get much, much worse as time went on. But I never heard of it getting much, much worse and the folks I know in NYC (photogs and educators) seemed pretty upbeat about it on the FB, considering.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 16, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
at capacity for the convention center room,, 3000 at a time - Crossroa...
at capacity for the convention center room,, 3000 at a time - Crossroads Gun Show, Reno, NV 2/13
Credit: Ron Anderson


The ENDLESS serpentine lines waiting to get in to the Crossroads Gun S...
The ENDLESS serpentine lines waiting to get in to the Crossroads Gun Show, Rno NV,2/13 the wait in line just to get in was over 1.5 hours.
Credit: Ron Anderson


The big Crossroads gun show now going on in Reno! It took an hour and a half to get in- as there were lines at 6:00 am and the doors didnt open until 9:00 am..

The line for wholesale ammo is an additional 2 hour wait in lines!!!!!!!!

Relieved to see NOT MUCH price gouging,, and many good deals on guns ammo and accessories!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 16, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Relieved to see NOT MUCH price gouging,, and many good deals on guns ammo and accessories!

So, what you are saying is that you were dead wrong... again. Shocking.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 16, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
No ,,I had said yesterday that i HOPED there wouldnt be price gouging.. So,, you would be,, the weakest link,, as usual..
perswig

climber
Feb 17, 2013 - 11:44am PT


Apparently the jalapenos aren't the only ones packing heat at our local pizza joint.
Dear lord.

Dale
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 17, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
As i stood in the mile long line yesterday at the Reno Crossroads gun show, i started thinking about some of the comments by those here that arent for guns and label folks gun nutz.
There I was amongst about 10,000 folks- nearly every one of them armed. there were lil ol ladies, young men , old men, girls, and hippies. All quite civil and nice to each other- this as they had stood in line for well over an hour just to get in the building. Smiles,, jokes and conversations and introductions. There were wheel chair folks with the same light hearted take on it as well. Just a wide variety of folks - and nary a scuffle or bad word was heard.

The show officials had NO IDEA that the crowds for this would be forming at 6:00 am. They had no clue as to the THOUSANDS that showed up for this. I have been to many shows in the past- and have never experienced such lines- even at the biggest rock concerts. Folks once inside- had to communicate with those they came with via cell phone as the crowds inside made it all but impossible to find each other.
I talked with one man, who after waiting 1.5 hours to get in, was in the wholesale ammo booth line for another 3.5 hours. There was a ton of folks from California and other states as well - and all very civil, as "excuse me" was heard frequently once inside the show rooms. No need for even the show security really cuz that armed crowd was a most civil one to each other. Im sure there was a crowd forming this am for todays rounds as well.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 17, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-on-the-right/021213-644195-cultural-decay-not-guns-is-the-real-problem.htm?p=full

Walter has it correct.
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