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WBraun

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
I need to buy a gun.

I'm afraid of these anti-gun nuts.

They might do something .......
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
but no one here is talking about taking guns away from CCW holders

in fact other than Joe Hedge, no one is talking about confiscating any guns at all

You might be being naive about some of the anti gun rights people.

Sen Dianne Feinstein stated very clearly just last year that if she thought she could get the votes she would take away all the guns.

Barack Obama stated in plain English "I don't think that people should be able to own guns." Of course he was a law professor when he said that, but do you really think his core views have changed?

There are a lot of people in government who would confiscate all the guns in public hands if they could.

frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Beware of the man with only eight rounds....He may be scared enough to make them count!...M1 Garand..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
The vast majority of defensive gun uses (DGUs) do not involve killing or wounding an attacker, with government surveys showing 108,000 (NCVS) to 23 million (raw NSPOF) DGUs per year, with ten private national surveys showing 764,000 to 3.6 million DGU per year.

Average government estimate of DGUs: 12 million, +/- 11 million

Average private estimates of DGUs: 2.2 million, +/- 1.4 million

I know you aren't much for statistics, but in general, if your uncertainty is close to your estimate, you might want to be a little cautious about the conclusions you draw from your data.

How many of those were similar to the video posted above, but not caught on video? You saw the video and you still couldn't decide if the gun owner was in the wRong.

up to 23 million times a year

Or as low as 108,000



Barack Obama stated in plain English "I don't think that people should be able to own guns."

Reference needed for direct quotes attributed to others.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
You might be being naive about some of the anti gun rights people.

wrong

my statement stands: No one here, other than Joe hedge, is talking about taking any guns away



reading carefully is important


on, and "core values"?

gee, it is almost countless the number of times the guy you voted for has changed his mind
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Monolith:
You couldn't decide for yourself unless he was charged?

Ron:
from a 30 second vid??? No....

Hence:
You saw the video and you still couldn't decide if the gun owner was in the wRong.


George Zimmerman thwarted a crime with his gun, right? The only problem is that over zealous neighborhood watchman made the mistake of calling the police BEFORE shooting Trayvon. The whole thing would have been an open and shut case... except for the audio recording.

Seems like when there is an audio/video record of one of these "thwartings," the lawful gun carrier often comes out looking pretty bad. I'm not saying all the time, but often.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
That is a direct quote Ron. How am I ignoring what you said? Monolith asked if you could decide the guy was wrong from the video, you said no. Here's another direct quote:

Now if the guy has been charged then he was in the wrong most likely.

Pretty sure "if-then" statements fall under the category of logic.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
So, walking up behind someone seated in a car and punching them in the back of the head is not wrong?

i couldnt decide squat from a 30 secnd vid like that.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
So the coming from behind sucker punch is questionable to say the least.

And you question my comprehension this morning? WTF?

I do not know what caused his irritations.

Whatever it was, it doesn't justify his actions. This is EXACTLY why background checks need to be stricter. My guess is, if you are willing to walk up and sucker punch someone in the back of the head for "cutting you off" you have issues with controlling your temper... probably documented elsewhere. Obviously those kind of people should not have guns.


Ive seen young folks just like those two pull crap on the roads they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for.

Here's another one of your quotes that I find fitting...

yu guys are quite the judge and jury...Thankfully your NOT on that business.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
That is the least of the difference.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
LEO:


LEO:


LEO:
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/agawam-woman-accidentally-shot-by-police


Without cameras those (and many others) would have been reported differently. Clearly the LEOs in those cases would have maintained their clear records... it would have been "justified."

As would the road rage video in question, and Zimmerman, etc. People like you would have fallen back on the position that:

young folks just like those two pull crap on the roads they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for.

The as#@&%e rager and his wife would have concocted a different story (which I assume they were already doing between 1:00 when it happened and 4:00 when they finally got around to "turning themselves in.")

Cameras are small and cheap these days, which is why this kind of unacceptable behavior is being punished more and more.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
is this where i post fifty links to good actions by LEOs or CCW holders?

No, that would be stupid. We all know there are plenty of good cops and CCW holders out there.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
LOL Kelly's straw purchase rejected.

The store, Diamondback Police Supply in Tucson has now rejected Kelly’s March 5th purchase, and has sent him a full refund. The decision was announced on the company’s Facebook page, in a post from the Diamondback’s owner/president Douglas MacKinley:


“While I support and respect Mark Kelly’s 2nd Amendment rights to purchase, possess, and use firearms in a safe and responsible manner, his recent statements to the media made it clear that his intent in purchasing the Sig Sauer M400 5.56mm rifle from us was for reasons other then for his personal use. In light of this fact, I determined that it was in my company’s best interest to terminate this transaction prior to his returning to my store to complete the Federal From 4473 and NICS background check required of Mr. Kelly before he could take possession this firearm. A full refund was sent to Mr. Kelly, via express mail, on Thursday of last week.”


.

If you were wondering why it took so long for the transaction to be completed, the delay was due to a local regulation that requires a 20-day waiting period for private gun purchases. The rifle Kelly selected was a used weapon and that kind of transaction is treated as a private sale and the 20-day wait applied. Mark Kelly had not returned to pick up the gun.

Diamondback Police Supply has also announced that the rifle Kelly selected will be donated to the Arizona Tactical Officers Association (ATO), to be raffled off to raise funds for the group. ATO raises money to purchase much-needed equipment for SWAT teams. MacKinley also said that his company will make a $1295 (the price of the rifle) donation to the NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program.

Mark Kelly’s representatives have not responded to requests for comments on the rejected purchase of the AR-15 style rifle.

I guess it wasn't so easy for him to purchase an "assault" rifle after all!

It's a good thing too.

That bunch is dangerous when armed with puppies.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/03/25/gabrielle-giffords-husband-pulls-daughters-dog-off-sea-lion-in-laguna-beach/
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
Ron, it just occurred to me... you are right... after 30 seconds of video where the gun carrier is clearly the aggressor and punches the other driver in the back of the head, we just can't be sure what really happened... you just never know.

But, from the following statement:
Larry: Evidently a 22 year old Salt Lake local died after attempting the Corona Arch rope swing with too long a rope. That's the second death out here in a week due to rigging failure.

we can clearly conclude:
Ron: They want instant gratification but forget the knowledge and dues part.


The other day in the bar a friend told me I was being a dick to you. I agreed. He asked why. I said because you deserved it... but I promised to mellow out a little. I still think you deserve it... maybe not as much as hedge lays it on you... but still.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
He decked from a simple often done swing. Ill stand by that statement.

Point is, you stand by that statement based on NO INFORMATION... yet can't conclude from a video of a sucker punch that the aggressor was in the wrong.

But what that has to do with a gun debate thread is beyond me.

It has to do with your biased processing of information and obstinance backed by nothing but ignorant opinion.

Why is it you target me with such nonsense and insults.

Because you often regurgitate sh#t from right-wing blog sites, fail to critically evaluate anything, and/or display a glaring lack of consistency in judgement. As demonstrated with the rope swing, sucker punch, etc.

Take a hint wes, you DIDNT see me on yur trail thread giving you a shot did ya...

I don't see why not. If you had something funny or relevant to say, it wouldn't bother me a bit. And as far as I recall I don't post on any of your threads. But that doesn't mean I can't call you out on your bullshit on other threads. You click here and post sh#t, it is my right to give my opinion of that sh#t.

FWIW, you know exactly where the rope swing discussion could have gone, but it didn't because I may be a dick... but I'm not that big of a dick. I think people should be able to take whatever risks they want, and who am I to judge them as long as it doesn't affect me? Who am I to conclude he wanted instant gratification and assume he had not paid his dues?

Style is also a major diff between you and i.

Right.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
Should have been denied a dog licence as well

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
as i recall, i had to fry a thread of mine due to two posters on here. Care to guess who they were?

Someone other than me.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
I assume you mean the Tahoe Lobster thread? Well, when you are wrong you are wrong. And when you think you are right, contrary to peer reviewed scientific studies, just because you have fished in tournaments... well, what more can I say?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 26, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
What good are tough dog laws in California if some dumbshit like Giffords-Kelly can bring his military-style assault-beast here from out-of-state, and use it to raise holy hell on our beaches?

It's all about personal responsibility, and Giffords-Kely displayed the lack of theirs.

No wonder he's all in favor of more bigger gun control. He probably thinks we are all as irresponsible as his family.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
I don't know, from that short video it is hard to tell... Ive seen young sea lions just like that one pull crap on the beaches they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for.

Besides, the dog ain't even his. He wasn't even around when it happened.

Police say the dog broke from its leash, and no laws were broken.

That is why you all get called idiots.



As Ron said:

But what that has to do with a gun debate thread is beyond me.
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