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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
Would that be like comparing guns to cars?

No... he was proving my lesser intelligence by pointing out my generality that the fringes will never win by pointing to abolition as a fringe movement in the south.

Or perhaps... saying he's a sympathizer to the idea of slavery? Got a plantation there mr hedge?

Hmm... now I'm all confused...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Would that be like comparing guns to cars?

Well, they all should be registered...
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
Worked great for Canada.
And I'll say again... If we can confiscate guns from prohibited persons, like they do in CA, then we can confiscate cars from unlicensed owners.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
then we can confiscate cars from unlicensed owners.

they are "undocumented"

that would be soooo not PC!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
He's trying to equate slavery with the second amendment.

Which is ridiculous because the second amendment is in the original Constitution and slavery is a cruel anachronism.

Right?



hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
So their government works exactly the same as ours does eh? Do you live there? I mean, they're so obviously superior, right?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
Cars are not USUALLY confiscated as a result of the loss of a driver's license. THAT's what I'm referring to. You didn't catch that, obviously.

Edited: to reflect a more accurate statement for jghedge
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
Oh, and yes I clearly understand your intent to outlaw guns. That much is very clear. Tell me... how would you remove them?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
Slavery was legal prior to the Civil War. Then it was outlawed. Much like your opinion of what we should do with guns. Did I get that right or do you wish to further correct me?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
Many of the 2nd Amendment arguments are based on the premise that the Framers had some divinely-inspired extraordinary wisdom. (This reverence for the Framers has given rise to the modern phenomenon of what Ed. H. has called "Constitutional fetishism")

The Framers were smart guys, but obviously they didn't get everything right the first time.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
They were clearly intelligent... but not the gods some would wish to attribute them to be. I think it speaks a lot that they wrote the Constitution as a living document, capable of update and alteration. Some parts were better written than others, and sometimes we need to make changes, as well as plenty of interpretations. It's going to be happening long after we're all dead and gone.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
"Forced confiscation after that, and anyone still in possession is in armed insurrection against the US Gov, and subject to military law."

What part of the constitution does that violate, do you think?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified
12/15/1791.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a
presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval
forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall
any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor
shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived
of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be
taken for public use, without just compensation.

Hell, maybe you don't believe in the 5th either.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Do you know what kind of damage a shotgun can do?
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
Forced confiscation after that, and anyone still in possession is in armed insurrection against the US Gov, and subject to military law.

Good luck with that.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Armed+insurrection

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion

Hey check it out... wikipedia!

Seriously dude, people hanging on to grandpa's old 22 to hunt rabbits... armed insurrection? Wow. How do you classify people who smoke pot?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
Seriously dude, people hanging on to grandpa's old 22 to hunt rabbits... armed insurrection?

Wait a second, someone is going to my grandpa's 22?

I'd like to see them try! From my COLD DEAD HANDS!!!

<insert lunatic rant>
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
How about ideas to reduce violent crime in general? Guns are just an expedient method.

You got any ideas on how normal people can otherwise defend themselves at the same distance as a firearm? How about for hunting?

1. Universal background checks.
2. Streamline/automate the process.
3. Contribute money from sales/backgrounds to education programs.
4. Licensing. Think of it like cars: what you own is dependent on your license classification. We kind of have that partially with class III NFA firearms anyway. Say.... haven't heard anything about them banning those...

But wait... jghedge will say that can NEVER reduce the numbers to what's similar in those all-out banned countries.

Pardon me... he will say that can NOT LIKELY reduce the numbers to what's similar in those all-out banned countries.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Yes. I plan to fight off the entire united states government armed with a bolt action, single seven round magazine, rusty 22lr.


How do you get past all the people that would likely be shot dead while "resisting" such measures? I mean, the whole point is to reduce gun deaths. Are they simply worthless to you?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
No and I never said that. Perhaps you'd care to scroll upthread and respond to my suggestions. Perhaps not.
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