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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
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What would you call this new gang of yours? I want to make sure I am easily recognized as part of your gang and not theirs.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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2nd amendment's got, probably, 12 more years before it gets repealed.
Hubris
conceit born of arrogance and naive insistant wishful thinking
nice, Joe, it's your only weakness and you just can't let it go
I got $10,000 that says you are flat wrong, I put MY money where my mouth is
how about it Joe? You are SO sure of yourself to state your "prediction" as a fact
wanna bet?
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
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We had a lockdown at my school today for about 3 hours. That means nobody leaves the classroom, the lights are out, silence, students taking cover (literally) on the floor. (Try enforcing that with a bunch of 15 year olds)
Apparently, some students reported another student had brought a handgun on the school bus, and was showing it off along with a fully loaded ammo clip.
This kind of crap freaks me out as a teacher, but . . .
Let's look at the gun legislation currently being proposed: Background checks, and a ban on "assault weapons".
This kid was certainly not the owner of this firearm, so any kind of background check would not have done anything to stop him from bringing a gun to school. Likewise with Adam Lanza.
This was a handgun, so I don't think it would be covered under any of the legislation being proposed.
Original reports of the Sandy Hook massacre said they had recovered 3 or 4 handguns from the school building. They also reported (originally) that the assault weapon was recovered from Lanza's vehicle. They even showed footage of officers removing what looked like some kind of rifle from the trunk of a car. I only mention this because I remember watching the extensive news coverage that day, but you can also find these initial news reorts on the internet.
The situation at my school today could not have been prevented by any of the gun legislation currently being proposed, and it is doubtful that it would have stopped Adam Lanza either.
What do you think are the chances we could get a ban on handguns (which are responsible for the vast majority of gun murders)? Eh? What was that? About ZERO.
So, if we think we are going to solve the problem of gun violence by simply focusing on a one dimensional approach - gun control - we are seriously deluded.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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Why does it always have to come down to the Mexican.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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So, if we think we are going to solve the problem of gun violence by simply focusing on a one dimensional approach - gun control - we are seriously deluded.
From my readings of the Federal registar, I was not aware that any proposed gun legislation would be one dimensional
In fact, banning or not banning any single of weapons is not even being considered
what is being talked about is universal background checks and tougher straw buyer penalties
there will also be much strong tracing of weapons, money for mental illness data checks, etc
got any other ideas?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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Let's look at the gun legislation currently being proposed: Background checks, and a ban on "assault weapons".
This kid was certainly not the owner of this firearm, so any kind of background check would not have done anything to stop him from bringing a gun to school.
bbbut, background checks don't appear in your list of currently proposed legislation.
Anyway, where do you think he got it? Serious question. Probably stole it right? From dad or uncle or brother or those of a friend? I'm guessing if/when they trace that gun it belongs to someone who purchased it legally... with no test required to ensure any level of responsibility... no licensing... nothing to ensure safe storage... no insurance... etc.
Just like Lanza.
When I built my deck I had to make an appointment with the County for a safety inspection... for a fuking deck, but not for guns! They measured how far of a drop it was to ensure it met County codes for safety. Why not anything like that for killing machines?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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When I was a young teen I got my first weapons. You Americans are going to have daddy take all your guns away because even as adults you are inherently less able to own weapons than 13-year old me. No personal responsibility, just blanket laws.
I'm sorry your government has persuaded some of you to think this way!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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You don't understand tooth, it is just like Mexico down here.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
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I understand what it is like in San Bernardino with guns being put to women's heads outside my apartment window, swat and helicopters showing up in the night, etc. I shot in the US a lot, but moved to where the government will treat me with respect and punish the dummies - instead of treating everyone like cattle and taking away everyone's toys because some meathead did something stupid.
At the time it was very similar to life in Mexico from the time I spent there. You are able to pull news stories for incidences that don't happen in your neighborhood but make the news because they are newsworthy (novel) which, if they happened every day in the US, wouldn't make the news. That doesn't mean those two areas are more similar to each other than any other 2 areas I have seen.
I don't disagree with the stats that say removing all the guns will remove all the deaths by gun. But I feel bad for people who are rapidly loosing so much freedom because some dummy crashed a plane into a building or shot someone. I flew to the Bahamas the other day for work, stayed out of the US airports and TSA, it was a wonderful experience! It was fun, like traveling used to be in the US. Airports aren't the only thing changing down there, but since you are so populated and squished into cities and have such a herd mentality - blanket rules and a nanny state will be your future. 12 years I'd say!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
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It's inevitable. We always win on social/civil rights issues. Always.
Pretty telling, but I already knew what you fags always deny - that you want to strip the Constitution of it's purpose. "We just want equal rights".....
The only way you win this is by demonizing people who oppose you. Totally disingenuous.
I did use the f-word, but you know why? Because you say I can't, and that it's "hate-speech".
F*#k you! Is that hateful? If it is then you can go f*#k yourself.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
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but moved to where the government will treat me with respect and punish the dummies
If we did that even more of Merka would be incarcerated. Hell, we may run out of people with clean records... then nobody could buy guns. It might just work.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
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You know this - why bother even bringing it up?
to counter the statement that any pending legislation was "one dimensional"
obviously you were not paying attention, try harder Joe
maybe if you got off your "we always win" childish divisive crap talk you could follow along better
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Mar 28, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
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You may have missed my point Norton.
One dimmensional approach to gun violence means focusing only on the guns.
I'd be happy to see the person who allowed a teen to get a hold of their gun and ammo have their right to bear arms taken away.
But, what I'm saying is that we'll never get a total ban on handguns, which are the main culprits. And, I'm not saying that we should do that either.
What is needed is a very holistic look at where this violence comes from. Background checks and a ban on assault weapons is the best you can hope for right now as far as gun control. And, that is just not going to stop more of the same from happening.
So, we need to look at the culture of violence, not just the culture of guns, in order to solve this problem.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
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please elaborate Reeotch
what exactly do you propose we change in our "culture"?
and how do we do what you propose, presumable more laws?
and do you assume those who routinely break laws give a dam about any new laws?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
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I wasn't talking to you, ass hole
and you damn well know what is so "childish" about your "we always win" crap
or maybe, just maybe, you still don't get it.....
clue: because you repeat it endlessly for ONE reason, to antagonize "them"
and yes, THAT is childish
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Mar 28, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
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No, we don't need any more laws.
We need peolpe to take personal responsibility. Laws are what you get when people don't take responsibility.
We need to teach our children better. We need to supervise and guide our children better.
We need to set a better example.
"Be good at school, son. Remember, violence is no way to solve problems." but hey, check out this new Soldier of Bloodshed video game, isn't this fun!? Or, say goodbye to Daddy as he goes off to Afganistan to "solve some problems".
WTF is wrong with us? I never understood the kids who got their jollies off of torturing animals, or weaker kids, what's up with that? I don't understand. Where does this sadistic streak originate?
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Mar 28, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
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"Where does this sadistic streak originate?"
Ask Joe Hedge. Better yet, study his particular brand of self-centered righteousness. It's inbred, a natural part of our psyche. Only through education about what is right and just, and a focused effort to imprint compassion on our children can we ever hope to change things.
You see, when people get as far deluded as hedge, there's no saving them. They'll never understand reason and logic, or the traditions and culture experienced by people around them. They don't comprehend that their point of view is not the only logical solution. They're the same type that become criminals, who commit heinous acts upon others.
All they need is justification, such as "You're stupid" (paraphrasing so many of hedge's comments), or "You're a gun nut" in order to view others as expendable. As soon as you demonize another person it becomes easy to disrespect them, to commit acts of crime against them or ridicule them in public. Like hedge. Oops... I'm doing it now...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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What is needed is a very holistic look at where this violence comes from.
I'm not convinced it is a problem with violence. I don't think everyone who brings a gun or knife to school is violent. When I was in 5th grade "Chinese stars" were the coolest thing EVER. We got them through straw purchases from the other kids in the neighborhood. Parents never knew. We would sneak them to school and throw them in the playground or elsewhere after school. I never once felt like I was violent, I just thought it was nifty. For the record I never tortured any animals other than the humans I have lived with.
A friend stole his brother's switchblade and brought it one day, which as I recall was legally purchased from "Tees and Keys"... right next to the throwing stars. If there had been more guns around I'm guessing John would have found one and brought it just to one up everyone.
Accidents/confrontations with guns are usually way worse than accidents with throwing stars... turns out selling and/or possessing throwing stars and switchblades is illegal in many places... imagine that.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Mar 28, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
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Are you saying it is just a gun problem?
That's pretty one dimensional.
So, when are going to get that handgun ban passed, again???
NEVER!
So, now what?
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