The Gun debate sandbox


Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
This thread has been locked
Messages 2821 - 2840 of total 5458 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 22, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
No CCW needed bill passed in Utah and is sitting on the Governor's desk.

3 options

veto (political death in this state)

sign into law

not sign, becomes law anyway

My guess is #3.
Get ready for legal concealed carry in Zion without a permit.
Shootouts over who gets a route? lol

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
What new legislation would you like to see passed, Ron?

And prices are already coming back down for those so dastardly assualt rifles. You know, the ones CONGRESS backed away from like scalded dogs they are..

since you sarcastically chastise those politicians who know that there is no way an assault weapons ban can get enough support to become law?

I presume you then want such a ban to become law because you seem to criticize those who "back away" from such ban

and by the way, yes indeed, there IS enough support in congress to get a bill through although it will simply increase straw buyer penalties and expand background checks, and that IS what the President has spoken in favor of and will very likely become law

personally, none of that effects me and my own gun ownership but if such legislation helps to keep guns out of bad guys hands even just a little bit then I don't see anyone would object

so what legislation do YOU want to see passed, Ron?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
Which Ron?

Herbert just vetoed the bill.

Hmmm. Probably his last term.

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
Ron, the claim made in the first 25 seconds of your video, about the founding/starting of the NRA, contradicts what the NRA itself says about its founding. Not a SINGLE word about slaves...

I wonder how much they got paid to disseminate that bullshit.

And you sucked it up like a sponge and regurgitated it without even thinking to validate the content. Everyone lies, except for those you agree with... they MUST be telling the truth.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Back ground checks are fine and dandy. Lots of states

ok, so you do support more gun legislation

you support increased background checks

do you also support tougher penalties for straw buyers?

by the way, I still don't get why you criticized politicians for not being able to ban assault weapons
from this, you must want them banned/

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
And Straw buyers?? The Dad that gets his son a 22 at the age of 11?(both being legal to own weapons)

Or you bought a glock .40 as a present to a favorite uncle for his birthday?? (both being legal to own weapons)

Common circumstances that would both be labelled illegal under new legislations?

wow, you really do not know what a straw buyer is, do you

both of your above examples are NOT definitions of straw buyers, not now, and certainly not in any new legislation

you should take the time to look up what a gun straw buyer is, Ron

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 03:20pm PT

please take the time to read the definition of a gun straw buyer

you clearly do not know

both of the "examples" you cited are entirely legal and are not straw buyers

really Ron, it just takes a minute, just a little intellectual curiosity, read, it won't hurt your head
frank wyman

Mountain climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Ammunition is getting scarce...This morning I lucked out and was able to buy several cases of ammo. On the way home I stopped at a gas station where a gorgeous lady was filling up her tank.She looked at the ammo in my car and said in a very sexy voice "Im a big believer in Bartering, would you be interested in trading sex for ammo?"...I thought a few seconds and asked..."What kind of ammo you got"...

Trad climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
I don't imagine legislation to limit the number of sales to 1 per person/year ever passing. Talking about that seems about as useful as asking what if we woke up and the world was made of chocolate. questions never hurt nonetheless.

seems like the punishment isn't a huge deterrent for straw buyers... 2.5 yrs or so max 10. There has to be a way so person to person sales can exist, while at the same time being able to check the status of buyer and seller.


Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
"I know what straw buyers are Norton,"

Credit: apogee

SF bay area
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Haha, you didn't 'win' against the assault weapon ban. It was always a long shot.

SF bay area
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
She knew it. It's the art of negotiation. I'll give up a long-shot, in return for something else. And your senator Reid is in control. Sucks for ya doesn't it.

SF bay area
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
And you claim victory?

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Instead, why not have the feds just expand on the brady check info to include the model and serial number of the gun being purchased? that would take making a new form to include two more boxes on it for thier computer program...TOO SIMPLE?

That seems like a good idea to me. I trust you will write your congressperson expressing your support for including such information in background checks.

How about a limit to how many guns a person can buy each year? How many do you buy a year? How many new guns a year do you think is reasonable for your typical gun enthusiasts?

The elephant being eaten a fork at a time hardly notices the tiny bites until those tiny bites accumulate and by then its too late.

I want to understand this because I've always wondered what elephant (and dolphin) tastes like. The elephant represents YOUR rights as a gun owner. The little bites with a fork is the legislation slowly taking them away. And the elephant is too dense to realize the first time it gets stuck with a fork? You sure it isn't that the elephant is so paranoid that it freaks out at the sight of a fork and spreads his irrational fear like a virus through the rest of the elephant population until they are all too forking stupid to realize the fork is used to keep them out of their own sh#t?


Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 22, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
It is no more up to the fed govt to tell someone how many anythings they can buy than it is for me to tell you what you may or may not buy.

They limit how much of certain drugs you can buy, they limit the number of savings bonds you can buy, they limit the number of withdraws you can have from your savings or money market accounts...

They dont prohibit how much booze may be purchased by any one either.

they limit how much booze a legal adult can buy before they are 21, they require tags on all kegs, ... I'm sure there are more...

And all for good reason. And none of them result in anything more than a minor inconvenience... just like stricter legislation for gun purchases.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 22, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
So has Obama taken all your guns away yet?

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 22, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
Some work for Hillary and then some for Julian Castro (currently mayor of San Antonio) eight years later. It will be down to shotguns or paintball....your pick.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:26pm PT

Two Teenage Boys Arrested in Georgia Baby Shooting Death
By LAUREN EFFRON | ABC News 3 hrs ago

Two teenage suspects, one as young as 14, have been arrested in the shooting death of a 1-year-old Georgia boy, who was killed as his mother pushed him in a stroller, police announced today.
Chief Tobe Green of the Brunswick Police Department said that Demarquis Elkins, 17, and a 14-year-old unidentified suspect whose name has been withheld because of his age, were arrested early this morning in connection with the baby's death, and both have been charged with first-degree murder.
"We are still investigating the motive, but we are trying to turn every stone to make sure we get a motive," Green said.
Green declined to provide further details, other than to say it continued to be an open investigation, and that no weapon had yet been recovered.
Under Georgia law, Elkins is considered an adult, Green said, but the younger suspect is considered a minor.
"We are still following up on leads from our witnesses and are still involved in collecting evidence," Green said. Search warrants had been issued at three locations near Brunswick, which has a population of about 15,500 people.
Brunswick police, along with a SWAT team and various agencies, had launched a vast manhunt across the Glynn County area in search of the two teenage suspects after the shooting on Thursday morning.
Sherry West, the 41-year-old mother of the child, told police she'd been walking her 13-month-old son, Antonio, in a stroller Thursday morning through their Brunswick, Ga., neighborhood when two African-American boys approached her and demanded money. When she told them she didn't have any money, West said one of the boys pulled out a handgun.
"He said, 'I'm going to kill you if you don't give me money,' and I said, 'I swear I don't have any,"' West told WAWS-TV in Jacksonville, Fla.
West said she tried to shield her child with her arms, but the gunman shoved her and shot the baby in the head. West was shot in the leg.
Going on West's description, police said they began looking for two African-American boys between the ages of 10 and 15 years old since Thursday. No details about how the suspects were arrested were given.
Officer Todd Rhodes, a spokesman for the Brunswick Police Department, confirmed that the weapon used in the shooting was a handgun but declined to describe it further.
Since the shooting, police said 30 different leads had been called into the Brunswick Police Department and the Glynn County Police Department, or were submitted through email. Police said the Glynn County School Board Campus Police had been assisting law enforcement in combing school attendance records for leads.

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
Too bad there's no more death penalty for crimes committed by juviniles.

This piece of sh#t, however, is 18 - which makes him an adult for legal purposes, and he'll know the exact day and time of his own death far in advance because Georgia is one of those states who doesn't f--k around with the death penalty.

I doubt he lives to see thirty.

Old enough to have earned himself a seat in the Electric Chair, but not old enough to legally possess the handgun he used in the murder. See ya!

SF bay area
Mar 23, 2013 - 12:05am PT
The weird backstory is the same women whose infant was killed, also lost her 18 year old son in 2008. He tried to ambush another teen, but the other teen took the knife away and killed him. No charges, self defense.

Chaz posts the mug shot to clue us in on what he thinks killers generally look like.
Messages 2821 - 2840 of total 5458 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks

Try a free sample topo!

SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews