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Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 19, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
a handgun, not a large clip assault weapon, used in a home, by a homeowner

who was presumably rational, and in fear enough to shoot multiple times

a teenager who she was known to have disagreements with about his drug use

sounds justified to me, without knowing any more facts

and certainly so far not a good example of a need for "more gun control legislation"

not in the league of Aurora, Virginia Tech, New Town, etc mass murders

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 20, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
since newtown is the inspiration for the latest round of feckless gun control ideas, it's only fitting that we look to the citizens of newtown for inspiration on how we should respond to the latest gun massacre:

first, armed guards in schools? libs = no; citizens of newtown = yes

second, gun ownership for law-abiding citizens? libs = no; citizens of newtown = yes

correction: senate libs not up for re-election = no

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 20, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
Meanwhile at ground zero for senseless gun slaughters.

Colorado Gov. Hickenlooper signs landmark gun-control bills

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Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, left, serving as moderator in a debate on gun violence hosted by CELL, the Counterterrorism Education Learning Lab, listens as University of Colorado law professor and panelist David Kopel speaks against gun control legislation in Denver, Tuesday Feb. 19, 2013.

By Matthew DeLuca, Staff Writer, NBC News
Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper signed landmark new gun laws on Wednesday expanding background checks on gun purchases and limiting the size of ammunition magazines, placing the traditionally firearm-friendly state among the handful to pass new restrictions in the wake of the shooting in Newtown, Conn.

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The Democratic governor defended the legislation in a press conference on Wednesday. Hickenlooper said he had found widespread support among state residents for broadening background checks, and dismissed the idea that politicians had been pressured from outside the state.
“This didn’t come from the White House,” Hickenlooper said.
Hickenlooper's signature came the day after the head of Colorado’s Department of Corrections, Tom Clements, was shot and killed in his home, apparently after he answered a ring at his front door, authorities said.
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The state has been scarred by some of the deadliest incidents of mass gun violence in recent U.S. history, including the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School and the Aurora movie theater shooting that killed 12 last July. The state’s gun control bills have gained national attention since they were first proposed, drawing the ire of those who oppose any new restrictions on gun purchases or ownership.
“We’re all in shock here,” state Senator Greg Brophy, a Republican, said on Wednesday. “It turns out this guy who everybody thought was a moderate Democrat is actually a gun-control governor.”
“I think the governor will be replaced by someone who has Colorado values instead of New York City values,” Brophy said. “If Republicans are returned to control we will repeal these bills immediately.”
Hickenlooper’s signatures came as “great news” to Stephen Barton, 23, who was injured during the Aurora shooting and now works for Mayors Against Illegal Guns. “This is a national problem that requires a national solution, but states like Colorado are making really great efforts to preserve public safety within their states.”
Vice President Joe Biden personally lobbied lawmakers to get enough votes to get the bills through the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives in February. The measures backed by state Democrats cleared the state Senate on March 12.
Republicans put up stiff resistance to the bills, arguing that the measures would not be effective in preventing future mass killings. Some Colorado sheriffs said before the governor signed the bills that they do not plan to enforce new gun-control laws in their districts, according to the Denver Post.
“Why put the effort into enforcing a law that is unenforceable?” Weld County Sheriff John Cooke told the Colorado paper on Monday. “With all of the other crimes that are going on, I don’t have the manpower, the resources or the desire to enforce laws like that.”
The measures also met resistance from magazine-maker Magpul Industries, which said that it would desert its plant about 30 miles from Denver if the proposed magazine limits became law.
Legislators who had opposed new laws restricting gun ownership said on Wednesday the new gun bills may have electoral consequences for state Democrats.

Legislators who had opposed new laws restricting gun ownership said on Wednesday the new gun bills may have electoral consequences for state Democrats.
Yes the Democrats will win big as the Colorado voters continue to realize just how out of touch the RepubliTEAhadists are to the sentiments of their constituents.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 20, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
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Missing photo ID#295114

Maybe we should praise the NRA for doing such a fine job of population control.

Sport climber
Mar 20, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
US Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) says her political career took off years ago when a nut climbed into an open window at San Francisco's city hall

with a dangerous high capacity assault weapon

-uh actually just a .38 revolver. The assassin carried out his vile deed with only a total of 10 bullets, reloaded one time, murdering the SF mayor and a supervisor.
A former sergeant in the 101st Airborne Division and police officer.

the Fet

Mar 20, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
From a recent email among my family.

The Liberals want all guns confiscated.
The Conservatives want any gun available with no background checks.

They both deserve to be made fun of. :-)

Trad climber
phx AZ
Mar 20, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Credit: jabbas
Gettin' serious about training in Africa !!

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 20, 2013 - 06:00pm PT

The Granite State.
Mar 20, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
You can always go to Sig Sauer Academy. I just saw their ad on the evening news. Moms busting caps.

Colorado is pinche loco! First, they legalize mota, then they ban large capacity magazines. What's next, letting homos get married?

I'm never going back to CO, way too many hippie liberal homo gun haters.

They should secede with Texas. Steers and queers...

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 20, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
They will soon see how this does nothing to combat evil intent.

Nobody thinks gun control has anything to do with combating evil intent. That is absurd. It is about how FUKING EASY it is to get a killing machine with no training, no records, no oversight, no insurance, and very little in the way of background checks.

Holmes had mental issues... yet he legally purchased multiple guns, thousands of rounds of ammunition, bullet proof vests, etc... all easily acquired. All EASILY tracked in the digital age.

Adam Lanza had planned his attack for years. He was known to have violent outbreaks. He had easy access to his mom's guns.

If someone can't get a gun legally, they simply have their "friend" buy one for them. Straw purchases are ridiculously easy. God forbid WE as a society try to track the purchase and sale of these deadly weapons... that would be unMerkin... you know, liberty and founding fathers and such.

Say, you "lost" a shipment of guns traveling from MA to CA? No problem, reporting the loss of interstate gun shipments is NOT MANDATORY... and gun nuts and the NRA will fight to the death to keep it that way... you know, the constitution and liberty and all that. How are those profits coming along btw?

No rational citizen should get worked up over a 2-4 week delay for their gun purchases... or having their serial numbers on record, or their ammo purchases tracked, or their mental health checked, or their medical history checked...

Fukit. Gun nuts are beyond reason. The government is going to track your sh#t whether you like it or not.

AND FOR FUK'S SAKE PEOPLE... IT IS THAN, NOT THEN. Yeah, it pisses me off... maybe as much as TRPA pisses some people off... or those gawdamn environmentalists... and guess what... I can get EASILY get a gun... god bless Merka.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 20, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#295164

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 20, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Hey there, say, I can buy a new gun every 30 days. While legally all sales in CA are required to be conducted through a licensed dealer... we all know criminals don't obey the laws.

With 1200+ gun murders a year in CA, you only need 100 criminals making monthly purchases to supply that many guns.

Why not make it 1 per year? I don't know about you, but I don't make many $500+ purchases a year... certainly not once a month. How many of you gun enthusiasts buy/need more than one new gun a year?

Also, why not track high volume purchasers? We have the technology. Surely we can figure out if they are just a gun enthusiast with enough money to enjoy their expensive purchases or a dirt bag living on about $500 and a bag of crystal each month.... if they ain't got a record don't worry, they can still get a gun!
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Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 20, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Hey, I'm an unlicensed dealer!

Colorado IS nutz.

They need their own "Bloomberg" to ban bongs over 16 ounces!

(and now I'm so glad that I picked up a 15 shot FN .45acp, my new "Colorado" hi-power)

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 20, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
The assault weapon ban can wait two more years, after voters have had their say on how this congress voted on the amendment, and the main senate bill.

This "paperwork" issue is pure BS. Why bother to "require" background checks? Just make it appropriately illegal to sell a gun to a prohibited person, knowingly or not, with the simple defense available of showing proof of a background check. With freedom comes responsibilities.


Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 20, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
TE, it ain't paperwork no more.

It should be retinal scans and DNA swabs. I don't see what the big deal is if you ain't got nothing to hide.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 20, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
Colorado Police Chiefs Support Stricter Gun Laws

The Colorado Association of Chiefs of Police supports a state bill requiring background checks for private gun sales, as well as a measure that would ban high-capacity ammunition magazines, the organization's president said Wednesday.

"We understand that background checks will not stop all illegal gun sales, but it will stop the many people who easily can possess a weapon who should not be allowed to do so," Broomfield Police Chief Thomas Deland said in a statement. He said criminals are using the "background check loophole" to buy their weapons. "The ability of background checks to reduce homicides and gun violence is significantly diminished by this giant loophole for private firearm sales that criminals and traffickers exploit."

The group also supports a plan to ban high-capacity magazines, in part because of data that shows such weapons are often used in the shootings of police officers. Deland said one in five officer-involved shootings involve guns with high-capacity magazines.

"When a criminal chooses to use these rapid-fire weapons and their accompanying high capacity magazines, officers have little opportunity to protect themselves," his statement says.

The organization formed its stance on a far-ranging series of gun control proposals at its regular meeting last week, where as many as 40 chiefs gathered. "Several chiefs spoke eloquently of how an officer facing a barrage of ammunition was gunned down by these weapons of war and their ammunition. Further, we have little opportunity to protect the public when bullets are flying fast, deadly and numerous," Deland said.

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 20, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
"...because of data that shows such weapons are often used in the shootings of police officers. Deland said one in five officer-involved shootings involve guns with high-capacity magazines."

One-in-five is "often"? More often not. Four-out-of-five times, what's that? Is that "often" too?

Trad climber
Mar 20, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
4% of gun crime is committed with the types of guns your politicians squawk on about the most. High-cap/assult-type long guns. Brilliant.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 20, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
what reason would someone have for saying they oppose expanded background checks?


Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 20, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
Making sure that criminals can get their hands on guns increases gun industry profits in two major ways.

The most obvious is that if criminals are buying their products, gun manufacturers make more money directly. Even if they’re buying them secondhand, that increases demand on manufacturers, since someone has to buy them firsthand to sell them to the secondhand market.

But beyond just that, the gun industry benefits from having a lot of well-armed criminals around, because their presence justifies the purchase of more guns for the non-criminal consumer. Gun marketing is largely fear-based, which is why Wayne LaPierre is always on about how the world is just about to collapse into chaos and you need a mini-arsenal of his industry’s products to protect yourself. They need people to believe that the streets are clogged up with criminals wielding guns, because that’s how they convince you to buy more guns and bigger, more expensive guns. They are quite literally trying to induce an arms race, which is why, inevitably, the answer to every question of personal security is to buy more guns and line the coffers of the gun industry. If guns stopped falling in the hands of criminals and the nightly news didn’t have a relentless flow of gun murders to report on, people might start to believe they’re safe, and they would buy fewer guns.
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