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David Lewis

Trad climber
North Conway,New Hampshire
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:25am PT
In many states it is against the law to fire a warning shot and for good reasons. You are either in danger for your life or you are not. If you are in danger, you shoot to incapacitate the intruder. A warning shot is a form of wreckless endangerment and in fact someone in VA was just arrested for shooting a shot gun warning shot as prescribed by our Vice President. It is very apparent that he does not know the law nor does he understand what happens or needs to happen to protect ones life.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
TradEddie is way too informed, objective and logical to be in this thread. TE, please cease and desist from posting in this thread. Your cooperation is appreciated.

The Management
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
You might, but not your typical gun owner.
I guess you think that once you own a gun, your common sense just completely disappears?
I guess you think cops are receiving some magical training that is not available elsewhere?
Do you actually know any gun owners or "gun nuts"?

I do. Several. And Hedge is not far off in his assessment.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
The Kimber compact CDP is a terrific carry piece, but I removed the ambi safety.

Nothing but problems with a Springfield 1911, albeit in .40
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
Thank you QITNL for finally putting this idiotic thread to rest!

You will be remembered for your selfless sacrifice.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Nope, metro Denver area police support the ban. Classic country vs city split.

Go Colorado!
Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Mar 7, 2013 - 11:31am PT
It has come to light that the co-sponsor of CO HB1224, the bill to ban magazines over 15 rounds has an arrest record for larceny and shoplifting, has pled guilty to writing bads checks and has numerous traffic infractions, including driving in the HOV lane.

You can read more about (and see a wonderful mugshot of) our wonderful Senator here: https://www.facebook.com/OpposeCOHB1224#!/OpposeCOHB1224

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 7, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
21 Colorado Sheriffs are standing against the proposed magazine ban there, in court. Seems local Colo LEOs think its a stupid idea as well..

21. that would be an overwhelming minority.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Depends how you figure, number of Sheriffs or number of constituents that they represent.

Colorado only has 21 counties with more than 25,000 people.


And, were ALL the Sheriffs polled?

People can play numbers games all day long, but I have not met a cop yet that thinks disarming citizens is a good idea.

The cops that you see on TV endorsing bans and such are not really cops any more. They have evolved into politicians. They are creating an image. That's why you see them on TV.
abrams

Sport climber
Mar 7, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
Trust Hollywood to keep glamorizing murder during the gun debate to make $$.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4830053/sofia-vergara-fires-bullets-from-her-boobs-in-new-machete-kills-poster.html

hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 7, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
"Only a matter of time, obviously, before this lunatic flips out and murders the wife and kid."

Two and a half years and nothing yet... Doesn,t that sorta run contrary to your obvious theory that the more guns you own the sooner you,re going homicidal?

Obviously, just a matter of time until you get so worked up over a gun thread that you pop a vein in your head and die just for thinking about guns.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 7, 2013 - 06:25pm PT


Trust Hollywood to keep glamorizing murder during the gun debate to make $$.



worthless without pictures

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 7, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
Those need to be belt fed.

This will require some hands on experimentation.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
How many of those "12,000 gun homicides" were committed by card-carrying NRA members?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
"Because they took his guns away, obviously, and if caught with another, it's off to the State pen for him.

He gets them back this year, apparently. Let Freedom (AKA Carnage) Ring!"


"Along with "law-abiding" gun owners who give tacit approval to those deaths, by sanctioning the same system that arms the murderers."


So then why didn't this guy just go buy a gun illegally and do what you're accusing him of all your precognizant glory?

Oh... because your theory is full of holes... like your brain.
Legal gun owners giving tacit approval to murder? That's like saying rock climbers give tacit approval to chipping!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
LOL, Chaz, the NRA advocates for an industry that provides guns to everyone, not just NRA members. They are also against universal background checks.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
What are you trying to say? That if not for the NRA, people would all be nice to each other? That's just totally asinine, and even you can see that!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
Fascinating the way your mind works, Chaz.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 7, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
Brings "concealed carry" to a whole new level.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2207296827001&odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|featured
Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Mar 7, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
http://www.freep.com/article/20130305/FEATURES01/130305010/Gun-violence-annual-cost-12-billion

Gun violence annual cost: $12 billion

USA TODAY


WASHINGTON Gunshot wounds and deaths cost Americans at least $12 billion a year in court proceedings, insurance costs and hospitalizations paid for by government health programs, according to a recent study.

"I think people probably don't understand that as well as they ought to," said Ted Miller, author of a study that found that gunfire deaths and injuries incur a direct societal cost of $32 per gun.

About 20 years ago, Miller calculated the costs to society of shooting injuries and deaths with funding from the National Institute of Justice. He decided to run the numbers again this year after the shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

"I was surprised," Miller said. "Back in 1994, the costs of drunk driving were substantially higher, but it has reversed."

Miller found that total costs per injury had at least doubled or come close for medical care, psychiatric care, court cases, insurance and emergency transport. For example, in 1992, medical care for a fatal shooting averaged $14,500. In 2010, that number reached $28,700.

He found that medical care in 2010 cost $3.2 billion for 105,177 deaths and injuries. In 1992, medical care cost $3 billion for 171,800 deaths and injuries, including 31,674 BB gun shootings, which were not included in the 2010 numbers.

According to government statistics analyzed by Miller for the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, costs to the government in 2010 broke down this way:

$5.4 billion in tax revenue lost because of lost work

$4.7 billion in court costs

$1.4 billion in Medicare and Medicaid costs for firearm injuries and deaths

$180 million in mental health care costs for gunshot victims

$224 million in insurance claims processing

$133 million for responding to shooting injuries

Miller also found that Medicaid covers 28% of hospital admissions for firearm injuries, 37% of hospital days and 42% of medical costs. But in another study, he found that even if people weren't on Medicaid when they were injured, about 8% ultimately enroll in Medicaid after their injuries. "So about half of the medical costs borne by Medicaid may be the best estimate," he said.

A 2012 study by the Vanderbilt Medical Center in Nashville found that 79% of gunshot victims in greater Nashville were enrolled in Medicaid. That compared with 45% of Medicaid enrollment for all other emergency room patients. African-American patients were three times more likely to be gunshot victims than were white patients, the study showed.

Manish Sethi, a trauma surgeon at Vanderbilt University and a researcher for the study, said his team decided to look at the numbers after seeing "a bunch of African-American kids with gunshot wounds" coming through the emergency room. "We have to do something."
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