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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
Weschrist writes:

"The vast majority of people who live in the western US or other rural areas, ABSOLUTELY NEED a car in their daily lives."



Really?

If that's correct, then suspension of one's driver license is the same as the death penalty.




Weschrist continues:

"But we do require REGISTRATION of vehicles and INSURANCE for vehicles... "


Maybe you didn't know, but you don't need a license, registration, or insurance to legally own and drive a car on private property. You don't even need to be 16 years old.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
H Rat,, ive already stated that several times-- as most anyone is, so am i in favor of background checks. But not on crap like AMMO fer petes sake. A brady background check runs 25.00 for some clerk to stay on the phone for an hour awaiting the okee-dokee...

I can walk up to a ATM anywhere in the country, punch in my PIN, and within 15 seconds over a dial-up modem that machine will check my card number, PIN and balance against a database then dispense my money. How hard can it be to punch in a Drivers license ID# or SSN into a database and get a response in the same time? It doesn't need to be perfect. It might at least deter some of those who acquired guns prior to being declared mentally ill or a domestic abuser, or even convicted felons. Currently there is no effective, way to even know that a convicted felon has surrendered all his guns.

TE
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Maybe you didn't know, but you don't need a license, registration, or insurance to legally own and drive a car on private property. You don't even need to be 16 years old.

that's a big stretch, even for you.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Really?

Yes, really.

If that's correct, then suspension of one's driver license is the same as the death penalty.

I didn't say they needed it to sustain life you fuking moron. It is a HUGE hit to have your license suspended. Many people are forced to find other employment as a result.

Maybe you didn't know, but you don't need a license, registration, or insurance to legally own and drive a car on private property.

How many people commute to work on private property? Fuking idiot.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 13, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
Guns in private hands are used all the time to sustain life.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 13, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
I've been trying to say on the Taco for years something that I didn't realize Stephen Colbert had already expertly defined. The way conservatives often believe what they want to believe despite facts and reason supporting something else. I just read about this word yesterday.

Truthiness is a quality characterizing a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" or because it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

However we could use another word (maybe one already exists?) that defines conservative's often used method of equating everyone who doesn't agree with them as taking an extreme far left position. For example many cons will state anyone supporting gun control is against all guns and wants to ban them and gut the 2nd amendment (e.g. everyone supporting reasonable gun control is equated with jhedge's extreme position). Some people will call this a strawman argument but it's not really strawman because strawman is typically arguing something different, while they just argue against an extreme/exaggerated position that very few people subscribe to. It's still a type of Red Herring argument because it's misleading in order to make false inferences.

Hmm. Leftiness?

Leftiness is defining anyone who isn't a true conservative must be a far left liberal, and really wants to be a commie. And arguing against their nuanced, complex arguments with narrow-minded, simple, black and white terms.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
"all the time" is a HUGE stretch.

No reason to think tighter gun regulation will change anything...
More than half of the firearms traced in crimes come from just 1 percent of the nation's licensed gun stores...

It took the Washington-based lobbyist group Americans for Gun Safety six years and three lawsuits to get the names of the gun stores that sell a disproportionate number of the guns traced to crimes.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129253&page=1

idiot.

These people are not advocating taking guns out of private citizens hands. They are advocating treating guns like the killing tools they are and requiring some RESPONSIBILITY from those who sell them.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 13, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
guns are being stolen by local gang members here at the local range- when folks go out to re-set their targets, the thieves steal their guns.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
guns are being stolen by local gang members here at the local range- when folks go out to re-set their targets, the thieves steal their guns.

what kind of moron leaves his gun laying around while local gang members are hanging around?

these are the everyday good guy gun owners...good job defending your property with your gun...oops.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
guns are being stolen by local gang members here at the local range- when folks go out to re-set their targets, the thieves steal their guns.

Well then, those FUKING IDIOTS should be fined or put in JAIL and DENIED ACCESS TO FIREARMS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES because they are too irresponsible and stupid to be trusted with killing machines.

Which sums up why the vast majority of gun owners should be regulated WAY more than they are.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
"cars are a necessity" Bullsh#t. You got legs? Got a bike? Got a bus?
No car? Guess you have to change how you live. Necessity? No, they're a convenience.

mechrist, seems anyone who disagrees with your point of view is a f*#kin idiot. That sound about right? My what a big head you have...

You say nobody needs guns in their daily lives? Prove it.

The accident rate for guns has decreased by quite a bit. Not saying there couldn't be more education, or that mandatory training, similar to hunter's ed, wouldn't be a bad idea. I've met plenty of idiots with guns.

But your attitude that anyone who owns one does so needlessly, and thus automatically qualifies them as a f*#kin idiot. is bullsh#t.

You know, you clearly don't see things my way... does that mean I can call you a f*#kin idiot too? Grow the f*#k up.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
I think you HAVE to leave your gun at your station when you go reset targets

the local range laws do not allow you to take it with you
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
"cars are a necessity" Bullsh#t. You got legs? Got a bike? Got a bus?
No car? Guess you have to change how you live. Necessity? No, they're a convenience.

No, they are a necessity. The entire infrastructure of the west is based around personal autos. The average Merkin commute is over 15 miles. A 30 mile round trip bike ride every day is simply not possible for most 'Merkins. I would LOVE to see that change, but it ain't going to... not anytime soon.

Meanwhile, a gun you MIGHT use for protection MAYBE once a decade... yeah, HUGE necessity... way more important than holding down a job so you can feed your family.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
TradEddie... I agree with the idea that the background check could be streamlined and automated. Then maybe the fee could be reduced, or part of it diverted for a victims/education fund, something like that.

Amazing how we dump more money and effort into improving the safety of vehicles, vs making the drivers better, safer, more aware. It's a fact of life: we accept accidental deaths in auto accidents as simply "unavoidable accidents", yet they are so often caused by carelessness, wrecklessness, DUI, distraction, and road rage. But OHHHHHHH NOOOOOO! there's simply nothing to be done about that, because we NEEEEEEED those cars.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Get a job closer to home. For SOME cars are necessary. For the infrastructure of society, cars are necessary. For individuals? Not so much.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
I feed my family with my guns.
If your choice is to be vegan, or vegetarian, congratulations. That's commendable.
I've been shot at once and returned fire. I don't think anyone got injured, but I didn't go running across the canyon to find out either.
There are also other members of my family who have defended their lives with a firearm.
You tell me how to predict when and where someone is going to threaten the life of someone else, reliably, and then you can start making determinations of who needs a gun and when.
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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
But your attitude that anyone who owns one does so needlessly, and thus automatically qualifies them as a f*#kin idiot. is bullsh#t.

I never said that. You know, misinterpreting what others say is the leading cause of being called a fuking idiot. I own 3 guns, I've been shooting since I was 6, I have friends who own veritable arsenals of weapons, I shoot about once a month, I plan to take up hunting small game this summer and accompany a friend on a hunt next fall. I've never ever said people who own guns are fuking idiots. I said people who equate guns to cars are fuking idiots... people who oppose stricter gun regulations are fuking idiots... people who think we should arm school teachers are fuking idiots... and people who think more guns make us safer are fuking idiots...

How about you pay attention to what is being said, rather than making sh#t up?


But OHHHHHHH NOOOOOO! there's simply nothing to be done about that, because we NEEEEEEED those cars.

Get a job closer to home. For SOME cars are necessary. For the infrastructure of society, cars are necessary.

Contradicting yourself in back to back posts is the second leading cause of being called an idiot.

You know why the average commute is 15 miles? Because that is how "we" designed our cities. You want to see a REAL economic collapse, restrict people's access to cars. The vast majority of work that fuels our economy would go undone. Restrict people's access to guns and society will be just fine.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
DAT DEY DUN TOOOK OUR GUNS!


'MURICA!
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Feb 13, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
That boy...Ahhhhsaid that boy is like a cannon, always shootin his mouthoff...=Foghorn Leghorn=
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Why pay attention? It's more fun to throw around some attention-grabbing b.s., like calling people fukin idiots. Good for you for owning a gun or two! I wish you luck with the hunting, it can be rewarding.

Seriously though, your point gets lost when you start calling names. It brings out the elitist attitude in you and puts it on display for the world. It nullifies any valid point you might have had. Why would anyone give a sh#t about someone's opinion when all they're going to do when you find your opinions differ is start calling you derogatory names and calling your intelligence into question? Is that really an effective method of having your opinion considered, ya think?
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