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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
quite the drama queen isnt he Frank!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
Just don't mention bass in Meek's bay or Ron will lose it... cuz apparently science based management is something to get up in arms about, but gun regulation... eh, whatayagonnado, it isn't going to work anyways, regardless of what the stats say.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 12, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
There is no need to run outside with a rifle if you can stroll out with a good riot gun.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:08am PT
mechrist: loves freedom here:
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C'mon!... do we really need background checks on ammo? I mean, she doesn't even HAVE a gun, right?

Don't feel bad mechrist, it's not like you're jghedge... That dude's seriously obsessed with firearms. In his most recent thousand posts or so I think you'd struggle to find a dozen that are climbing related; but the gun thread postings are prolific!

What's worse then... thoroughly preventable auto accidents? Or purposely preventable shootings? Think about it... Cars are not a right. People choose to speed illegally. People choose to drive drunk, illegally. People choose to drive unlicensed. And it's a goddam privilege, not a right! That means we could (easily) govern cars to a maximum speed, install lockout breathalyzers in every car, and confiscate the vehicles of unlicensed owners. What makes those deaths acceptable for you? 'Cause you're not bitching about them.

Ron A... Admit it. There is such a thing as reasonable restriction. Unless you think it's a good idea to drop the whole background check entirely and allow convicted felons and such to legally purchase weapons...? I'm not addressing what they do after being declined, I'm talking about legal over-the-counter sales.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:50am PT
H Rat,, ive already stated that several times-- as most anyone is, so am i in favor of background checks. But not on crap like AMMO fer petes sake.. A brady background check runs 25.00 for some clerk to stay on the phone for an hour awaiting the okee-dokee...
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 02:28am PT
Ah, you have? Apologies then. I'm too lazy to read the whole damn thread. Agreed, background checks on ammo would be a waste.

Any thought on the idea of streamlining the system so anyone with internet could use it, say, if they universalize the requirement for all sales?

Anyway, point was damn near everyone can agree that at some point there is such a thing as a reasonable restriction to our 2nd amendment rights, which is how the court has ruled. Seems nobody's ever reasonable, unfortunately.

Now then, what the hell am I doing here again? Time to go lurk somewhere else for awhile.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
What's worse then... thoroughly preventable auto accidents?

That's absurd. Auto accidents are not thoroughly preventable. Not even close. Driving is a necessity, at least in the western US. Hurling people down a highway at 60+ mph, countless hours a day, you are bound to have accidents.

But we do require REGISTRATION of vehicles and INSURANCE for vehicles... a necessary part of many people's daily lives... but not guns, tools designed to kill that are NOT a necessary part of people's daily lives.

Even more to the point... many car owners INSIST on state of the art safety equipment to protect themselves and their loved ones from auto accidents. Many cars now have pretty amazing technology for deploying airbags, avoiding collisions, etc.

Gun owners and gun manufacturers take the opposite approach... no registration, ineffective background checks, no insurance, no safety requirements, and CERTAINLY no technological innovation that would help prevent accidents.

For those of you who think the 2nd gives you the right to own any gun you want, with as much ammo as you want, you are fuked in the head. NOBODY, other than LEO's, NEEDS a gun on a daily basis. The vast majority of people who live in the western US or other rural areas, ABSOLUTELY NEED a car in their daily lives. I would love to see that change, but it ain't gonna for at least a few decades.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
Weschrist writes:

"The vast majority of people who live in the western US or other rural areas, ABSOLUTELY NEED a car in their daily lives."



Really?

If that's correct, then suspension of one's driver license is the same as the death penalty.




Weschrist continues:

"But we do require REGISTRATION of vehicles and INSURANCE for vehicles... "


Maybe you didn't know, but you don't need a license, registration, or insurance to legally own and drive a car on private property. You don't even need to be 16 years old.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
H Rat,, ive already stated that several times-- as most anyone is, so am i in favor of background checks. But not on crap like AMMO fer petes sake. A brady background check runs 25.00 for some clerk to stay on the phone for an hour awaiting the okee-dokee...

I can walk up to a ATM anywhere in the country, punch in my PIN, and within 15 seconds over a dial-up modem that machine will check my card number, PIN and balance against a database then dispense my money. How hard can it be to punch in a Drivers license ID# or SSN into a database and get a response in the same time? It doesn't need to be perfect. It might at least deter some of those who acquired guns prior to being declared mentally ill or a domestic abuser, or even convicted felons. Currently there is no effective, way to even know that a convicted felon has surrendered all his guns.

TE
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Maybe you didn't know, but you don't need a license, registration, or insurance to legally own and drive a car on private property. You don't even need to be 16 years old.

that's a big stretch, even for you.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Really?

Yes, really.

If that's correct, then suspension of one's driver license is the same as the death penalty.

I didn't say they needed it to sustain life you fuking moron. It is a HUGE hit to have your license suspended. Many people are forced to find other employment as a result.

Maybe you didn't know, but you don't need a license, registration, or insurance to legally own and drive a car on private property.

How many people commute to work on private property? Fuking idiot.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 13, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
Guns in private hands are used all the time to sustain life.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 13, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
I've been trying to say on the Taco for years something that I didn't realize Stephen Colbert had already expertly defined. The way conservatives often believe what they want to believe despite facts and reason supporting something else. I just read about this word yesterday.

Truthiness is a quality characterizing a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" or because it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

However we could use another word (maybe one already exists?) that defines conservative's often used method of equating everyone who doesn't agree with them as taking an extreme far left position. For example many cons will state anyone supporting gun control is against all guns and wants to ban them and gut the 2nd amendment (e.g. everyone supporting reasonable gun control is equated with jhedge's extreme position). Some people will call this a strawman argument but it's not really strawman because strawman is typically arguing something different, while they just argue against an extreme/exaggerated position that very few people subscribe to. It's still a type of Red Herring argument because it's misleading in order to make false inferences.

Hmm. Leftiness?

Leftiness is defining anyone who isn't a true conservative must be a far left liberal, and really wants to be a commie. And arguing against their nuanced, complex arguments with narrow-minded, simple, black and white terms.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
"all the time" is a HUGE stretch.

No reason to think tighter gun regulation will change anything...
More than half of the firearms traced in crimes come from just 1 percent of the nation's licensed gun stores...

It took the Washington-based lobbyist group Americans for Gun Safety six years and three lawsuits to get the names of the gun stores that sell a disproportionate number of the guns traced to crimes.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129253&page=1

idiot.

These people are not advocating taking guns out of private citizens hands. They are advocating treating guns like the killing tools they are and requiring some RESPONSIBILITY from those who sell them.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 13, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
guns are being stolen by local gang members here at the local range- when folks go out to re-set their targets, the thieves steal their guns.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
guns are being stolen by local gang members here at the local range- when folks go out to re-set their targets, the thieves steal their guns.

what kind of moron leaves his gun laying around while local gang members are hanging around?

these are the everyday good guy gun owners...good job defending your property with your gun...oops.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
guns are being stolen by local gang members here at the local range- when folks go out to re-set their targets, the thieves steal their guns.

Well then, those FUKING IDIOTS should be fined or put in JAIL and DENIED ACCESS TO FIREARMS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES because they are too irresponsible and stupid to be trusted with killing machines.

Which sums up why the vast majority of gun owners should be regulated WAY more than they are.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
"cars are a necessity" Bullsh#t. You got legs? Got a bike? Got a bus?
No car? Guess you have to change how you live. Necessity? No, they're a convenience.

mechrist, seems anyone who disagrees with your point of view is a f*#kin idiot. That sound about right? My what a big head you have...

You say nobody needs guns in their daily lives? Prove it.

The accident rate for guns has decreased by quite a bit. Not saying there couldn't be more education, or that mandatory training, similar to hunter's ed, wouldn't be a bad idea. I've met plenty of idiots with guns.

But your attitude that anyone who owns one does so needlessly, and thus automatically qualifies them as a f*#kin idiot. is bullsh#t.

You know, you clearly don't see things my way... does that mean I can call you a f*#kin idiot too? Grow the f*#k up.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
I think you HAVE to leave your gun at your station when you go reset targets

the local range laws do not allow you to take it with you
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
"cars are a necessity" Bullsh#t. You got legs? Got a bike? Got a bus?
No car? Guess you have to change how you live. Necessity? No, they're a convenience.

No, they are a necessity. The entire infrastructure of the west is based around personal autos. The average Merkin commute is over 15 miles. A 30 mile round trip bike ride every day is simply not possible for most 'Merkins. I would LOVE to see that change, but it ain't going to... not anytime soon.

Meanwhile, a gun you MIGHT use for protection MAYBE once a decade... yeah, HUGE necessity... way more important than holding down a job so you can feed your family.
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