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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 11, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
Ron, do yourself a favor and take a quick look at the sources and dates on those... try some critical thinking skills while you are at it.

"Maketa made the allegations Saturday morning on the Jeff Crank Radio Show on KVOR. He said he got an email from a member of the County Sheriffs of Colorado describing a verbal conversation that person had with someone connected to Senate democrats."

That is vague bullshit by anyone's standards. Basically you have ONE staunch Republican sheriff referring to a email from an unidentified person within his own organization (CSOC) who also clearly stated...

"I do not believe this would be sacrificing our principals or position on other gun bills."

The bill in question has NOTHING to do with high cap magazines:

Senate Bill 197 creates a mechanism to remove guns from people who are prohibited in federal law from possessing firearms because of certain types of domestic violence convictions or domestic violence protection orders.

Do you support Bill 197? Can you think of ANY SANE REASON an LEO would be opposed to Bill 197?

It ain't even close to extortion or intimidation. The Senate votes on a pay INCREASE for the law enforcement. Not getting a pay raise is NOT extortion, especially during tough economic times. This is nothing more than a political trick from a Republican in a very conservative area. It is petty and pathetic.

The other articles were from over a month ago.

For someone who doesn't know the difference between research and a google search, you sure do pretend to know what you are talking about.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 11, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
Ron, read what I wrote. Try to understand it. Stop being an idiot.

They opposed Bill 1229, which wasn't even mentioned in the "intimidation" bullshit radio show you posted. They opposed it because it was "unenforceable." I feel for the Sheriffs. I have testified in front of law makers on water/erosion issues and they only hear what they want to hear. They generally have their minds made up before the testimony even begins... "will it get me more votes? will it get me more money?"

Simple as that.

It does NOT mean CSOC is opposed to banning high cap mags or some of the other bills. Which Sheriff testified against HB 1224, the one limiting mag capacity? That's right... take your time...
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 12, 2013 - 12:51am PT
Jesus... you guys are still at this?

I think when it hits 4000 you all need to kiss or something...
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 12, 2013 - 01:53am PT
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/11/half-naked-man-with-assault-rifle-shoots-up-bar-killing-one-in-pennsylvania/
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 12, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
Hey Ron, which AZ Sheriff testified against HB 1224, the one limiting mag capacity?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 12, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Strange, for a second I thought you might have known what you were talking about.

They want to ban high cap. mags in Colo, and 21 counties have said no to those ban proposals and have recieved intimidation from the Senate levels.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 12, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Sorry about that... too much multi-tasking/trip planning.


Which CO Sheriff testified against HB 1224, the one limiting mag capacity?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 12, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Right, refusing to do what all the other kids do makes you a wimp!

The one speaking... his county is set to lose 400+ jobs if that mag manufacturer follows through on their threat to pull out?


Don't matter. They passed.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 12, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
NV also has this, which sounds good

http://www.lvrj.com/news/nevada-assembly-bill-would-tax-gun-sales-to-benefit-mental-health-197269131.html
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 12, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Yes, NV should definitely annex Vegas...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 12, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 19, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 19, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
Hell,

They look better than she does.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/14/amsterdam-prostitute-twins-retire-at-70-after-50-years-and-355000-men-3542030/
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 19, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
Hollyweird without guns


http://thumbsandammo.blogspot.com/





TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 19, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Mar 19, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
Criminals are also in favor of disarming citizens.
Makes robbery much less risky.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 19, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Police: Woman shoots, kills grandson


Posted: May 22, 2012 12:49 PM MDT
Updated: May 22, 2012 12:49 PM MDT



A 74-year-old Michigan woman has been charged with murder after shooting her 17-year-old grandson to death.

Sandra Layne is accused of shooting grandson Jonathan Hoffman eight times Friday after an argument inside her West Bloomfield home.

He called 911 to say he had been shot.

He was taken to a nearby hospital but was dead upon arrival.

No bond was set for Layne after she was arraigned on Monday.

She is held at the Oakland County Jail and is scheduled to appear in court Thursday for a preliminary examination.

Hoffman had been living with his grandparents so he could stay in Farmington schools while his divorced parents settled in Arizona, said his father, Michael Hoffman, of Scottsdale, Arizona.

Jerome Sabbota, a lawyer for the grandmother, said Jonathan Hoffman had legal problems over drugs and had conflicts with his grandmother.

Sabbota said his client fired her new .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun because she felt she had no choice.

"This is a 74-year-old lady who just bought a gun. It's not like she was a pro. I don't think she was in control of her emotions. She was afraid. She's not a big, strong woman," Sabbota said.

Regardless of what difficulties the teen gave his grandmother, there was no reason for her to shoot him, his father said.

"I'm not saying he was aggressive, but if he was, I don't understand how being aggressive but unarmed would justify her using deadly force," Michael Hoffman said.

Police were called to the home in March for a dispute between Layne and her grandson.

According to police, Jonathan Hoffman was in the street screaming and was out of control.

No charges were filed.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 19, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
a handgun, not a large clip assault weapon, used in a home, by a homeowner

who was presumably rational, and in fear enough to shoot multiple times

a teenager who she was known to have disagreements with about his drug use


sounds justified to me, without knowing any more facts

and certainly so far not a good example of a need for "more gun control legislation"

not in the league of Aurora, Virginia Tech, New Town, etc mass murders
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 20, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
since newtown is the inspiration for the latest round of feckless gun control ideas, it's only fitting that we look to the citizens of newtown for inspiration on how we should respond to the latest gun massacre:

first, armed guards in schools? libs = no; citizens of newtown = yes

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-02-01/national/36680902_1_school-board-elementary-schools-board-member


second, gun ownership for law-abiding citizens? libs = no; citizens of newtown = yes

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2013/03/19/newtown-gun-permit-applications-up/


correction: senate libs not up for re-election = no
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 20, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
Meanwhile at ground zero for senseless gun slaughters.



Colorado Gov. Hickenlooper signs landmark gun-control bills

Brennan Linsley / AP file
Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, left, serving as moderator in a debate on gun violence hosted by CELL, the Counterterrorism Education Learning Lab, listens as University of Colorado law professor and panelist David Kopel speaks against gun control legislation in Denver, Tuesday Feb. 19, 2013.

By Matthew DeLuca, Staff Writer, NBC News
Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper signed landmark new gun laws on Wednesday expanding background checks on gun purchases and limiting the size of ammunition magazines, placing the traditionally firearm-friendly state among the handful to pass new restrictions in the wake of the shooting in Newtown, Conn.

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The Democratic governor defended the legislation in a press conference on Wednesday. Hickenlooper said he had found widespread support among state residents for broadening background checks, and dismissed the idea that politicians had been pressured from outside the state.
“This didn’t come from the White House,” Hickenlooper said.
Hickenlooper's signature came the day after the head of Colorado’s Department of Corrections, Tom Clements, was shot and killed in his home, apparently after he answered a ring at his front door, authorities said.
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The state has been scarred by some of the deadliest incidents of mass gun violence in recent U.S. history, including the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School and the Aurora movie theater shooting that killed 12 last July. The state’s gun control bills have gained national attention since they were first proposed, drawing the ire of those who oppose any new restrictions on gun purchases or ownership.
“We’re all in shock here,” state Senator Greg Brophy, a Republican, said on Wednesday. “It turns out this guy who everybody thought was a moderate Democrat is actually a gun-control governor.”
“I think the governor will be replaced by someone who has Colorado values instead of New York City values,” Brophy said. “If Republicans are returned to control we will repeal these bills immediately.”
Hickenlooper’s signatures came as “great news” to Stephen Barton, 23, who was injured during the Aurora shooting and now works for Mayors Against Illegal Guns. “This is a national problem that requires a national solution, but states like Colorado are making really great efforts to preserve public safety within their states.”
Vice President Joe Biden personally lobbied lawmakers to get enough votes to get the bills through the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives in February. The measures backed by state Democrats cleared the state Senate on March 12.
Republicans put up stiff resistance to the bills, arguing that the measures would not be effective in preventing future mass killings. Some Colorado sheriffs said before the governor signed the bills that they do not plan to enforce new gun-control laws in their districts, according to the Denver Post.
“Why put the effort into enforcing a law that is unenforceable?” Weld County Sheriff John Cooke told the Colorado paper on Monday. “With all of the other crimes that are going on, I don’t have the manpower, the resources or the desire to enforce laws like that.”
The measures also met resistance from magazine-maker Magpul Industries, which said that it would desert its plant about 30 miles from Denver if the proposed magazine limits became law.
Legislators who had opposed new laws restricting gun ownership said on Wednesday the new gun bills may have electoral consequences for state Democrats.


Legislators who had opposed new laws restricting gun ownership said on Wednesday the new gun bills may have electoral consequences for state Democrats.
Yes the Democrats will win big as the Colorado voters continue to realize just how out of touch the RepubliTEAhadists are to the sentiments of their constituents.
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