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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
yes of course,, all crazys and bad guys follow regulations to the T...


And you all call me rong...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
fuking idiots
abrams

Sport climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
Yes there is always going to be a gunfight somewhere

1: Be somewhere else

2: Have a gun. A gun that works and you know how to use.

3: A rifle is better than a pistol

4: Bring a friend, have him bring his rifle.

5: Know the difference between cover and concealment

6: Stay behind cover as much as possible.

7: First guy to die, looses.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
Of all the people I've known exactly ZERO have ever been in a gun fight, except for LEO's.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
all crazys and bad guys follow regulations to the T...
An effective regulation/law prevents or reduces crime rather than generates a new way to prosecute criminals (although those can be helpful too).

The point of background checks is not to detect and prosecute criminals stupid enough to apply using their real identity. Universal background checks eliminate the simplest way for criminals to get guns. I suspect the next simplest is straw purchases, and while universal background checks won't stop that they would remove the "I sold all ten of them to some dude I met in a bar" defense.

After that, allow prosecutions for negligence when a lost or stolen gun is used in a crime. Rights come with responsibilities, and unless your guns are stolen at gunpoint (impossible, since a good guy with a gun will always stop the bad guy, right?), you were irresponsible. Prosecute a couple of irresponsible owners, buy stock in gun safes and eliminate another easy way for criminals to get guns, all the while not infringing on anyone's right to self defense, or even their imaginary right to plot treason.

Once again, where do you Gun Nuts think criminals get their guns?

TE

frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
When you get angry enough, grab your rifle and run outside. If you're the only one there, it's not time yet.....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
TradEddie, thanks for the thoughtful, intelligent response.


frank, hahahaaaaa... that's so funny! Running outside with guns because your angry. Who doesn't love a flippant joke about senseless violence and revolution? Don't worry, Glenn Beck and LaPeeair are already out there waiting for you... hurry!
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
I love flippant jokes, after all I love you...If you don't read the newspapers You are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinformed....=Mark Twain=
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
Looks like they're closing in.
An officer told The Associated Press it's believed Dorner committed a residential burglary of a cabin and had a couple tied up inside. One person was able to get away and make a call.
If only they were armed this would already be over!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
So now you are equating jokes about reading a newspaper to jokes about running out your door with a gun to join a violent uprising? When is the last time a newspaper was used to kill anyone?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
quite the drama queen isnt he Frank!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
Just don't mention bass in Meek's bay or Ron will lose it... cuz apparently science based management is something to get up in arms about, but gun regulation... eh, whatayagonnado, it isn't going to work anyways, regardless of what the stats say.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 12, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
There is no need to run outside with a rifle if you can stroll out with a good riot gun.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:08am PT
mechrist: loves freedom here:
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Hates it here:
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C'mon!... do we really need background checks on ammo? I mean, she doesn't even HAVE a gun, right?

Don't feel bad mechrist, it's not like you're jghedge... That dude's seriously obsessed with firearms. In his most recent thousand posts or so I think you'd struggle to find a dozen that are climbing related; but the gun thread postings are prolific!

What's worse then... thoroughly preventable auto accidents? Or purposely preventable shootings? Think about it... Cars are not a right. People choose to speed illegally. People choose to drive drunk, illegally. People choose to drive unlicensed. And it's a goddam privilege, not a right! That means we could (easily) govern cars to a maximum speed, install lockout breathalyzers in every car, and confiscate the vehicles of unlicensed owners. What makes those deaths acceptable for you? 'Cause you're not bitching about them.

Ron A... Admit it. There is such a thing as reasonable restriction. Unless you think it's a good idea to drop the whole background check entirely and allow convicted felons and such to legally purchase weapons...? I'm not addressing what they do after being declined, I'm talking about legal over-the-counter sales.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:50am PT
H Rat,, ive already stated that several times-- as most anyone is, so am i in favor of background checks. But not on crap like AMMO fer petes sake.. A brady background check runs 25.00 for some clerk to stay on the phone for an hour awaiting the okee-dokee...
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 13, 2013 - 02:28am PT
Ah, you have? Apologies then. I'm too lazy to read the whole damn thread. Agreed, background checks on ammo would be a waste.

Any thought on the idea of streamlining the system so anyone with internet could use it, say, if they universalize the requirement for all sales?

Anyway, point was damn near everyone can agree that at some point there is such a thing as a reasonable restriction to our 2nd amendment rights, which is how the court has ruled. Seems nobody's ever reasonable, unfortunately.

Now then, what the hell am I doing here again? Time to go lurk somewhere else for awhile.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
What's worse then... thoroughly preventable auto accidents?

That's absurd. Auto accidents are not thoroughly preventable. Not even close. Driving is a necessity, at least in the western US. Hurling people down a highway at 60+ mph, countless hours a day, you are bound to have accidents.

But we do require REGISTRATION of vehicles and INSURANCE for vehicles... a necessary part of many people's daily lives... but not guns, tools designed to kill that are NOT a necessary part of people's daily lives.

Even more to the point... many car owners INSIST on state of the art safety equipment to protect themselves and their loved ones from auto accidents. Many cars now have pretty amazing technology for deploying airbags, avoiding collisions, etc.

Gun owners and gun manufacturers take the opposite approach... no registration, ineffective background checks, no insurance, no safety requirements, and CERTAINLY no technological innovation that would help prevent accidents.

For those of you who think the 2nd gives you the right to own any gun you want, with as much ammo as you want, you are fuked in the head. NOBODY, other than LEO's, NEEDS a gun on a daily basis. The vast majority of people who live in the western US or other rural areas, ABSOLUTELY NEED a car in their daily lives. I would love to see that change, but it ain't gonna for at least a few decades.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
Weschrist writes:

"The vast majority of people who live in the western US or other rural areas, ABSOLUTELY NEED a car in their daily lives."



Really?

If that's correct, then suspension of one's driver license is the same as the death penalty.




Weschrist continues:

"But we do require REGISTRATION of vehicles and INSURANCE for vehicles... "


Maybe you didn't know, but you don't need a license, registration, or insurance to legally own and drive a car on private property. You don't even need to be 16 years old.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
H Rat,, ive already stated that several times-- as most anyone is, so am i in favor of background checks. But not on crap like AMMO fer petes sake. A brady background check runs 25.00 for some clerk to stay on the phone for an hour awaiting the okee-dokee...

I can walk up to a ATM anywhere in the country, punch in my PIN, and within 15 seconds over a dial-up modem that machine will check my card number, PIN and balance against a database then dispense my money. How hard can it be to punch in a Drivers license ID# or SSN into a database and get a response in the same time? It doesn't need to be perfect. It might at least deter some of those who acquired guns prior to being declared mentally ill or a domestic abuser, or even convicted felons. Currently there is no effective, way to even know that a convicted felon has surrendered all his guns.

TE
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 13, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Maybe you didn't know, but you don't need a license, registration, or insurance to legally own and drive a car on private property. You don't even need to be 16 years old.

that's a big stretch, even for you.
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