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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
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What you are leaving out in this very far fetched hypothetical scenario is the 500 lb bomb would have to be dropped on local communities: men, women, and children alike, in order to get at the embedded insurgents. How do you think that will go over with the general population or the rest of the world?
I'm sure a few select targets wouldn't cause too much outrage. It would be unfortunate, but if it is for the good of the country it might be palatable. Start with Texas and move due north...
Do you think members of the military would even consider doing that?
Like I said, you only need a few at the top to push the buttons. Ain't going to happen though, which makes your 2nd amendment arguments that much sillier.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
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Hedge, you are saying my argument is flawed because I am anonymous.
I am saying your expression that YOU KNOW what will happen in this country, if there is ever an armed insurrection, is megalomaniacal. None of us can know.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
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There are things we know and things we don't know and things we know we know and things we don't know we don't know. You know?
We (the sane ones) know that no modern armed civilian uprising will succeed in the US.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
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Like I said Wes, everyone has an opinion.
There are quite a few people in the country who disagree, and as as such the 2nd amendment is very important to them.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
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Waco
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
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AGAIN:
within seconds, all of your utilities, water, power, are cut off
within minutes a perfectly guided GPS little missile goes right through your window
this has all been done in a room in Virginia while you wave your AK out your little window
no "troops" were involved to "disobey" orders
we spend 700 billion a year, every year, to be able to do stuff like this
get it yet? you really have no idea just how good your tax dollars are at work
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
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It's just for the warning value. No modern nation has ever cast is own tryanical government off without outside help that I can think of.
Perhaps you should think of Poland...
Or Algeria...
Or Egypt...
Or Indonesia...
Or Czechoslovakia...
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
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I'm perhaps splitting hairs Hedge but I'm not saying you are megalomaniacal just that what you say is. No one can know what will happen. Have an opinion sure. I respect your opinion. You might want to consider respecting the opinions of those who disagree with you.
As for the success of guerrilla insurgencies in modern times, look at the lack of success for the Soviets in Afghanistan as well as our own lack of success there. Look at our lack of success in Vietnam.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
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Norton, do you think anyone at the CIA or in the military would participate in drone warfare against American citizens on American soil?
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
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And to reititerate Norton, I don't have an AK or any similar weapon, and I am in favor of reasonable gun control. I'm not in favor of banning guns altogether as Hedge suggests.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
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Norton, do you think anyone at the CIA or in the military would participate in drone warfare against American citizens on American soil?
Yes. US law enforcement and military have attacked citizens for no reason in the past. Not to say LEO or military are bad, (I'm in no way a soldier or cop basher) but there are some unfortunate things in the past for sure.
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
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Norton, do you think anyone at the CIA or in the military would participate in drone warfare against American citizens on American soil?
yes I do, absolutely and positively
the very first military code that is honored is the "chain of command"
and when you use computers and drones to kill from Virginia, it is so "clinical", so easy
The USA of today, 2013, is NOT Afghanistan, or Greece, or any other country on earth
no valid or relevant comparisons can be made, our CIA and Armed Forces are THAT good
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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And to reititerate Norton, I don't have an AK or any similar weapon, and I am in favor of reasonable gun control. I'm not in favor of banning guns altogether as Hedge suggests.
I agree with you 100%
but I guess I just wish you were not so naive about our own US Armed Forces and CIA
maybe you are a young guy? no offense if you are of course!
edit: Good point about the Kent State KILLINGS
this was when our own National Guardsmen fired bullet and killed college kids
because they were ORDERED TO
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
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While this is an interesting give and take, it is extremely flawed.
If a military coup were to come about, the gun-nut/survivalist/militia poster boys will be cheering the military on, not opposing them.
And those who don't think the military would not attack Americans need to take a little walk around Antietam.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
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And to reititerate Norton, I don't have an AK or any similar weapon, and I am in favor of reasonable gun control. I'm not in favor of banning guns altogether as Hedge suggests.
I agree with you 100%
but I guess I just wish you were not so naive about our own US Armed Forces and CIA
maybe you are a young guy? no offense if you are of course!
edit: Good point about the Kent State KILLINGS
this was when our own National Guardsmen fired bullets and killed college kids
because they were ORDERED TO
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
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Hi Crimp. The police are far more suspect in my mind than the military, posse comitatus act and all, which has in some ways of course now been eviscerated.
And Kent State. I remember that day. Those four deaths and nine wounded have been a black eye for the National Guard, and for the country, ever since.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
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Hola Dropline! Hope all is well and your dog is healthy. :)
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
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Gary: If a military coup were to come about, the gun-nut/survivalist/militia poster boys will be cheering the military on, not opposing them.
This is an interesting observation of a dynamic that goes both ways. The military might well be cheering on the 2nd amendment protesters.
The military guys I know, the combat ones, take their oath very seriously. I mean the Oath of Enlistment. The part that talks about defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
They are dead serious about that. No pun intended.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
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Crimp. Look for email or FB message soon. It's been too long. Say hi to BN.
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