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Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
Somehow you think it takes military service to have the balls to protect one's self or family?

Oh please......get a dose of reality and grow a pair.


And when your family is being attacked, you gonna hang around and wait for a LEO...or perhaps your fellow military?


Good luck with that.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
Dave, the society (that gave them everything) will revolt against a government that is not doing what it did when it served that society that gave them everything. The people are the society. The government is supposed to serve the people(that society), to guarantee liberty and freedoms.
Nothing more pathetic than white dudes who have lived a life of privilege talking heroic about overthrowing the society that gave them everything.



You are fighting hard to support the creation of a a government that functions like a monarchy - your forefathers fought to break away from that and create a land of the free - remember, you had a war about that? You can laugh about keeping a well-armed militia all you want, what you are really saying is that you support the idea of government above and beyond anything that government may turn into. For you, there is no end to what they can become and do to their own people before you would then realize that it is with your fellow countrymen that you should be standing, and not with the government of the day. That will ensure the government serves the people instead of padding their pockets while putting your children and their children in perpetual debt, financially enslaving them. (you will argue that if you have no understanding of economics)



When you love the 'idea' of government as much as you do, you will give up the right to protect your own family, to be able to provide your own food for them, to own your own useful land and provide the basics in Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I guess that is ok, but it isn't appropriate for you to force this upon others and mock them for it. It shows lack of respect for your fellow countrymen (which means the government would love you in a marshal law situation - brown shirts here we come!)
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
What difference does it make?

It illustrates a trend.

Those who are so sure that they can overthrow a "tyranical" government with their private arsenals always seem to have no clue about military weapons, tactics, or history.

It's all based on myths. In the past century has there ever been an effective resistance against a modern military power using only small arms?

I'm really impressed by you internet tough guys, I'm sure you are so very brave and will fiercely defend the rest of us against bad guys in theaters and "tyrants," and it is sooo important that you have 30 round magazines to do so.

For me, I'm going to keep a my pump shotgun in my house and do my damnedest not to use it, even if somebody breaks in.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
You do that, Dave....hit 'em with your purse.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
Mr Kos writes:

"Those who are so sure that they can overthrow a "tyranical" government with their private arsenals always seem to have no clue about military weapons, tactics, or history."



Who here's talking about overthrowing the governbment? That's crazy.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
,many a tactical weapon is a pump action shotgun.. Gee Dave,, you own an assualt weapon! Guess Connecticut is out for you if they pass the barney fife bill eh!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
My military service? Zero.

What difference does it make?

A lot of difference. He made a sacrifice to join the Army and protect this country. You gun nuts rant about freedom and liberty and how guns secure that... and then disregard the heroes who ACTUALLY do the work. That's pretty fuking pathetic.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Those who are so sure that they can overthrow a "tyranical" government with their private arsenals seem to have no clue about military weapons, tactics, or history.


Do you dislike them because they have no clue, or because of something else? Do they threaten you? Or are you mad because they bring up the possibility that your government may not always have your best interest in mind? That it may one day think that in it's current iteration, that it is more important than the Constitution that you swore to uphold and protect? Are you scared that if that does happen that you will feel alone and helpless to do what you know you should - defend the Constitution and the freedoms and liberties of your fellow countrymen?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Wes,

Your imagination is over-running your reading comprehension.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
how so?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
All the Vets i know and the current military members, not one of them would ever pull a trigger against an American..Ive said this before - that since Korea, vets have been chewed up for lost causes due to politics, and they havent forgotten one moment of any of it. In this whymsical scenario you all keep mentioning, bear in mind that many a natl guard and current or former military person would not side on a tyrannical govt, due to their oath..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
Then why do you need assault weapons and huge mags?

tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
I have a feeling you don't know Dave Kos
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
Wes,,for tactical drills,and competitions, of course...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
To what end? Just for the hell of it? Then why not limit them to specific training facilities?
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Somehow you think it takes military service to have the balls to protect one's self or family?

Oh please......get a dose of reality and grow a pair.


And when your family is being attacked, you gonna hang around and wait for a LEO...or perhaps your fellow military?


Good luck with that.

Dean,

I'm not against gun ownership. I'm against the idea that people need to own a private arsenal in order to match the firepower of the police or the military. I never said that you or anyone else cannot have a gun in their home.

As for my questions about the military, you seem to be very selective about your respect for the military and those who served. It's pretty clear from your posting history here that you don't consistently respect the military - you only use it as a vehicle for "feel good" stories that you use to portray yourself as a patriot. Apparently the "good guys" are only the Americans who agree with your views.

I may, or may not, need to "grow a pair" - but that has nothing to do with how many guns I choose to own.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
The Ihop shooter had an illegal AK 47. Many gang members here have them- and ive seen them at the range using FULLY auto AKs. So yes if you want to defemd your home from all intruders, that means a semi auto weapon on larger caliber.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
Private gun ownership has NOTHING to do with the military, whether one respects the military, or whether one has served.

It does have EVERYTHING to do with the 2nd Amendment, and my right to protect myself and my family from harm.

I personally feel it is part of Obama's agenda to do away with our rights in this regard.

If you want to rely on your government as your sole means of protection, that is YOUR perogative.

I reserve the right to protect me and mine the way I know how....and the way our founding fathers saw fit.

Your shotgun, as stated by Ron upthread, is just as much of a weapon as any of mine.

You may be willing to let a dictator run your life........I'm not having any.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
Why would anyone be against their fellow citizens being well armed? Even compared to their military?

In business you learn that half the sale is presentation, appearance. I would rather live in a well-armed country like Switzerland before Hitler went nutz than anywhere else. Keeps your military from getting attacked as much.




If some elected official wanted to become more of a monarch or dictator... do you think that the fact that the citizens were fully armed or not would be taken into his plans? Do you not think that fully armed citizens would dissuade him most guys from planning something like that? Even doing it one little step at a time with the help of the media? History repeats itself, if you don't learn from it, well, fool me once, no twice. ummmmm...


Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
Do you dislike them because they have no clue, or because of something else? Do they threaten you? Or are you mad because they bring up the possibility that your government may not always have your best interest in mind? That it may one day think that in it's current iteration, that it is more important than the Constitution that you swore to uphold and protect? Are you scared that if that does happen that you will feel alone and helpless to do what you know you should - defend the Constitution and the freedoms and liberties of your fellow countrymen?

That's quite a contrived strawman you built up there.

The massive proliferation of firearms in the US threatens all of us.

There are tens of thousands of gun homicides in the US every year.

And people conjure up fantasies of how the government will seize power and start killing Americans if we don't have guns - well guess what?

Unlike every other developed country, we already suffer the casualties of a small war, year after year.

Because we have guns.

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