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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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I'm down with that.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 15, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
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Teach your children well.
Their Father's Hell.........
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 15, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Jan 15, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
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"I never told you to fuk off"
Yeah, I know that Einstein."I" told "you" to f*#k off, I didn't say that you told me that. Either way your childish sexual innuendo response about your penis size confirms how mature you are. I have my picture and name posted on ST. If you wanted to find out who I really was it would be easy as opposed to you, who has no pics and has not posted his real name that I know of. Doesn't matter, if you like acting like that,that's your choice, I should be wiser and not let sh#t get to me. I just have a pet peeve for people who love to insult behind a keyboard so easily. But hey, that's the web, right?
"Come on, I only tried that once... it was a long time ago. Honestly, it isn't worth the mess."
Shitting on yourself doesn't count pal.:-)
Claudio Ricardez
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
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Yeah, I know that Einstein."I" told "you" to f*#k off, I didn't say that you told me that.
I know. "I" never said that "you" said that "I" told "you" to fuk off.
I should be wiser and not let sh#t get to me
Yep.
But you have to admit, an article that claims the Casper killing was due to the college being a gun free zone is idiotic. Well, I guess you don't HAVE TO, but you should be willing and able to.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
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Wall Slave, that isn't the point. The point is...
Why would anyone need assault rifles?
Why should anyone with an assault rifle NOT be required to provide PROOF that they are responsible enough to safely own such a deadly tool?
Why would anyone need to purchase more than 2 handguns in a 5 day period?
Why should anyone be allowed to buy tons of ammo via the internet ala James Holmes?
Why do gun nuts freak the fuk out at ANY MENTION of ANY GUN CONTROL MEASURES before the proposal is even off the table?
Why is the response from the gun nut side to arm teachers, many of whom are huge pussies who wouldn't know the first thing about shooting a gun and have absolutely NO DESIRE to ever use one?
Why are some idiots so quick to adopt such an ABSURD PROPOSAL but can't even consider proposed gun control measures they HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD?
Glad you survived those close calls.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
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You want to play semantics? Really? On an issue like this, you are going to boil it down to infantile semantics? Can we at least agree that a semantic argument should begin with the dictionary definition of the terms? Does M-W qualify?
assault rifle: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
How about we ban anything that a mentally ill person with little or no skills can use to kill dozens of people before responsible gun owners can even draw their weapons? How's that for a start?
Oh, right, here comes the "that could be anything... if the person is crazy enough it could be a hammer..."
And you seemed fairly rational at first.
.556 is low power round, designed to wound.
That has got to be the STUPIDEST and sickest thing ever stated in this "debate."
yeah... coyotes and children... no point in restricting access to those... hell, everyone should have those harmless little toys.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
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And there still does exist a valid 2nd amendment argument that can be made for high power weapons in civilian hands.
You really think so? Even though:
1) NO MATTER WHAT YOU AMASS, YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DEFEND AGAINST THE MOST POWERFUL MILITARY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD (THE US MILITARY)
2) THE 2ND AMENDMENT WAS WRITTEN WHEN THE MOST COMMON FIREARM WAS A FLINT LOCK MUSKET
3) MODERN GUN OWNERS ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME BALLPARK AS A WELL REGULATED MILITIA
I'm pretty sure we have agreement, among the sane at least, that self-protection is the primary reason for owning a gun. Recreation is a close second... both valid. But to defend against a tyrannical government... in the US... that is absurd.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Jan 15, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
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Simple,
before big clips and semi automatic weapons designed for killing people we did not have these murderers killing of 30 - 40 people. The NRA would say it not the gun that kills. But wait a minute we do punish drug dealers and have laws against possession of some drugs. So if we used the NRA argument for drugs there would be no illegal drugs--quite libertarian. Now the NRA argument of where to put blame is not consistent with the way this society has chosen to treat drugs and drug dealers. If gun regs were constant with drug rules we would also regulate guns. SCOTUS has said laws can be made for the regulation of firearms. Let's Regulate (BAN) these assault rifles
NO Citizens need assault rifles. If you nuts with assault rifles think you may need to take over the government I suggest you group together and come to Wyoming. Once here you first mission ought to be to take over the State Nation Guard Base at Guernsey. And before you actually attempt this absurd act that might have been condoned by Thomas Jefferson consider how well your Kevlar vest will hold up to the tanks and much more sophisticated artillery that you have no access to get a hold.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
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Hedge: That situation ceased to exist about 80 years ago. Guns won't stop the gov't anymore. You might as well be talking about having your own horses to counter the gov't's cavalry.
That's your opinion, again repeated ad nauseum. It's not necessarily a fact though. Irregular asymmetrical guerrilla warfare tactics have been effective at times at defeating superior traditional forces or forcing them to a stalemate.
This is all hypothetical though. No one knows what form such conflict may take in this country at some point in the hopefully very distant future (if ever), and as such no one knows what the outcome would be. To suggest that YOU KNOW the outcome of a hypothetical future armed conflict, between the citizenry of this country and the government, is another exercise in megalomania.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 15, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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Someone help me with this reasoning: "we need our guns to defend against the US Armed Forces"
seriously?
CLUE: The US Armed forces can shut off all your utilities, water, food, in seconds
they can drop a 500 pound bomb on your "compound" from a Drone within minutes
you won't even see or hear it coming, all the guns you own won't mean squat
Oh, but our ability to "threaten" the US Armed forces is important!
really? You really believe the Depart of Defense is "scared" or "worried" ?
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stick to buying more ammo, you lost the "government tyranny" thing 100 years ago
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
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Irregular asymmetrical guerrilla warfare tactics have been effective at times at defeating superior traditional forces or forcing them to a stalemate.
Only in remote areas where the resistance forces were able to sustain their own food and water supply. Most of those amassing weapons are sustained by Wonderbread and Hot Pockets, while opposing Michelle Obama's White House garden.
Ain't gonna happen in the US... certainly not with guns. With information, maybe.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
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mechrist,
ya that information is called voting.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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mechrist: Only in remote areas where the resistance forces were able to sustain their own food supply. Most of those amassing weapons are sustained by Wonderbread and Hot Pockets, while opposing Michelle Obama's White House garden.
Ain't gonna happen in the US... certainly not with guns. With information, maybe. Another opinion. No problem. As they say, everyone has one.
But consider that successful guerrilla movements are supported by the populace: food, shelter, ammo, and above all concealment. Insurgents arise from the general population to attack targets of opportunity and just as quickly melt back into the crowd.
Also, what makes you think members of the military will move against the civilian population? Especially if it's because of a repeal of the 2nd amendment, or something like that. Both the active duty military and veterans I know regard the 2nd amendment as sacrosanct. Every ex front line marine and army soldier I know has an AR-15 or something like it.
Hopefully none of us will ever have to consider these kinds of scenarios, but the suggestion that it would be Apache Longbows and DEWs against revolvers and semi-auto.223s in an open fight is just foolish.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
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Hedge: And again, I always get a kick out of anonymous posters lecturing those who sign their posts about their character flaws
What would that be an exercise in?
That's an ad hominem argument. You attack me, because I am anonymous, rather than what I am saying. Who I am is irrelevant.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
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Also, what makes you think members of the military will move against the civilian population?
Don't need them to. Just need a few at the top who know which buttons to push. Face it, conventional firearms are obsolete in the art of warfare... at least for the next 100+ years... probably much longer.
You people are fuking crazy. Certifiably batsh!t crazy if you are engaged in some kind of preemptive militia training to counter a potentially tyrannical US government.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
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Well I guess we'll have to see what happens tomorrow right?
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
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Norton:they can drop a 500 pound bomb on your "compound" from a Drone within minutes
What you are leaving out in this very far fetched hypothetical scenario is the 500 lb bomb would have to be dropped on local communities: men, women, and children alike, in order to get at the embedded insurgents. How do you think that will go over with the general population or the rest of the world? Do you think members of the military would even consider doing that?
As a country we would be no better than Saddam Hussein's Iraq when be bombed his own people with chemical weapons or Assad's Syria now when Syrians are being shot at with tanks.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
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Well I guess we'll have to see what happens tomorrow right?
Congratulations (seriously) you are the first pro-gun advocate on here who actually seems willing to consider the proposal before getting all "up in arms" as it were.
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