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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:04am PT
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here also linked previously is the Harvard Injury Control Center...
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/
interesting bit from this site:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
8. Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime
Using data from a survey of detainees in a Washington D.C. jail, we worked with a prison physician to investigate the circumstances of gunshot wounds to these criminals.
We found that one in four of these detainees had been wounded, in events that appear unrelated to their incarceration. Most were shot when they were victims of robberies, assaults and crossfires. Virtually none report being wounded by a “law-abiding citizen.”
May, John P; Hemenway, David. Oen, Roger; Pitts, Khalid R. When criminals are shot: A survey of Washington DC jail detainees. Medscape General Medicine. 2000; June 28. www.medscape.com
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:05am PT
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hedge, it would appear the ones that are shaded (handguns banned) have higher murder rates than their neighbors.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:17am PT
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Ed - it's known as the victim/offender overlap. Victims and offenders look a lot alike. And often one who is victimized is hanging out with offenders, or up to no good themselves. This is NOT universal though and shouldn't be looked at as victim blaming.
edit: Thanks for the link. Good stuff there.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:19am PT
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yes,
though what caught my eye was the lack of reports of criminals who has been shot by victims defending themselves with guns...
...apparently it doesn't happen.
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
helena montana
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Jan 15, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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Know Guns,Know Safety,Know Peace
No Guns,No Safety,No Peace
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 15, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
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Ed,
admitting they got shot by law abiding citizen = admitting they screwed up a crime
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Jan 15, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
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repeal the 2nd Amendment
ban all guns except those designed for hunting
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
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Yep Rong, it is all a big conspiracy. Obama will do anything to take your guns.
FWIW, when I heard the news about the Oregon mall shooter, I thought to myself... "finally, a ccw went to good use" as opposed to the guy in AZ who admitted he almost shot the wrong guy... he almost shot the UNARMED HERO who actually wrestled the gun away from the shooter.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
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binks - what would be your choice for a gun for room to room hunting of the criminal gang that kicks in your door with the intent to rob, rape, and murder you and your family?
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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Jghedge - you have committed an error in your calc there bud. There is no chance of that happening here. Maybe you have murderous thoughts about your family members so that it is possibility for you.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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Wes, the obvious is obvious. In Tuscon, my brother saw news coverage that failed to include the ccw holder in Oregon..
I guess that's what you get for passively absorbing whatever the news decides you should know.
And KEY word in your second part is ALMOST. That ccw holder USED proper common sense ending in a correct decision.
He also said he was a split second away from killing a FUKING HERO who saved many people's lives that day... WITHOUT A FUKING GUN. The ccw holder was superfluous and unnecessary.
When my buddy discovered three going through his camper shell in the parking lot of kragen auto and after being threatened by them, he held them at gun point until the police arrived - which didnt even make our local paper. Let alone state news coverage.
Really... someone who left their camper shell unlocked and then pulled a gun when it was getting robbed didn't make the news. God damn you Obama!
But they WILL capitalize on tragedies like Sandy Hook and make that the only thing one sees on natl media coverage,, over and over and over, in a mass brainwash attempt.
Oh, I see... your buddy should have made the news, but 20 innocent children and 6 adults filled full of holes by a gun that damn near anyone can buy at Walmart with a cursory background check is being overplayed? You live in a sick, twisted world man. I'm going to get on my secret Obamafone and request that he takes YOUR guns first, because you are clearly not sane enough to own them.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
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Over 400 innocent children were slaughtered since Sandy Hook?!?! Wow.
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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Its simple democrats will take all of our guns and I mean ALL if the could get away with it! You know it's true!! It is for sure at the top of their wish list. This is just a start to do away with the second amendment. But in Wyoming the law makers saw it coming and put in place laws protecting the right to own any firearm as long as it’s not full auto also the right to own large mag’s. But you still can’t smoke grass. Damn I become a redneck!!!
All those white folks care about is their religion and their GUNS
Michelle Obama
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
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Yes Rong, only children count. Since higher population density leads to higher rates of violence, we need to weed out some of the less desirable members of our society to stay safe. Children can still be brainwashed into being valuable members of the Obama-Army, which is why it is so tragic when they are slaughtered. If they haven't conformed to Obama's way of thinking by the time they are of reproductive age, members of Obama's secret Army are dispatched to dispatch them. One of Obama's favorite tactics is to make it look like gang violence to keep the old racist bastards on edge and ready to fire at anyone with brown skin. Another tactic, called the Feinkenstein, is to drug up the non-believers and use them as bait. That's how they got Zimmerman. It is much easier to take their guns away once they kill an "innocent" brown person. Did you know, all the brown people in prison are really just part of Obama's Army? Prisons are not what you think they are... they are actually top secret training camps. This conspiracy goes deeper than you could ever imagine.
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
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Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world,because the people are armed,basic military is mandatory for men,and after wards they are required to keep their weapon at home.A crook will think twice about breaking into houses knowing this,people who think the world should get rid rid of guns should think again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ufkwTM82e4
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
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oh, I understand now...
I'm sorry for posting here references to any study that questions some of the underlying beliefs of those who are proponents for gun rights.
Since those studies do question those beliefs, they must be wrong.
I admit my mistake in assuming that there may be something to learn in those studies.
I shall refrain in the future from any form of questioning our fundamental right to "bare arms." It is absolute.
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