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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
cool!

we can sell gun stuff on supertopo now?

thanks!


i got all kinds of mags, lasers, shotguns, I would like to sell

PM me if interested!
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
Nicaragua isn't a good example because both sides didn't start with the guns that they fought it out with. Other 'interested parties' chipped in for the side they were rooting for and many of the weapons were from out of state. When I was working down there I was staying with some guys involved in the conflict and they were telling me what it was like. Same with Afghanistan - once the fighting got started weapons were imported. Syria is another example. Iran has been helping them out, this is why the current regime hasn't already put down the uprising.

Nobody has an example of a civil war where nobody else got involved in the mess?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
bang bang - not the big bang
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
[...] once the fighting got started weapons were imported.

But I thought all we needed were personal AR-15s to defeat the tyrants?

Why doesn't the NRA fight for the right of individuals to "import" heavy weapons? They do want us to be able to overthrow the tyrants, right?
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
that is the way it always is. france was helping us in the revolution. Brittian was helping the confederats etc..
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
You mean it's outside help from actual military power that tips the balance against the tyrants?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
Don't forget the sheep and wolf story

very important to our understandings as we decide on armed teachers in schools
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
I remember standing up and telling him to shut his mouth and quit stroking himself, that the class was about concealed carry laws and not about how cool he thought HE was.

You're an interesting guy Norton. Got an angry streak and a touch of self-loathing or something like it going on though. I dig it though because you're honest.

Why would you have stood up and said anything in someone else's class? Told him to "shut his mouth" because you didn't like his analogy you took as 'ego stroking'? Really?... That must have been awkward for everyone.

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
Can you name a single conflict, since the turn of the the 20th century, where untrained civilians with small arms defeated the military?

Cuba.





Can I name any "potential" politicians dissuaded from trying to become reactionary overloards due to an armed population?

Richard Nixon.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Get back to moving furniture and quit slackin!

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
Mr Kos,

As an untrained civilian with small arms, why should I ever have to consider defeating - or even being on the opposite side of - our military?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:01am PT
Turnabout, fair play?

Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:52am PT
As an untrained civilian with small arms, why should I ever have to consider defeating - or even being on the opposite side of - our military?

Why are you asking me?

I'm not the one claiming we need guns to protect us against Obama Hitler's plans to become dictator.

I suggest you direct your question to the folks using the words "dictator" and "tyrant" in their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Fatal: Metro counties 3.3 per 100,000
Non-Metro counties 3.2 per 100,000.


BOTH US murder rates are STILL 3x higher than they are in the UK, despite the UK having higher rates of violent crime, chronically bad weather, ugly chicks, and plenty of hammers. WHY?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Wrong again Rong. The UK was saved by the US MILITARY... part of the US GOVERNMENT... the same organization many gun nuts insist they need puny little assault weapons to defend against. Meanwhile, lax regulations allow those puny little assault weapons to fall into the wrong hands and kill dozens of children or other innocent people in minutes... well before any responsible concealed carrier can react.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
Lack of regulations allowed Ms. Lanza to purchase weapons of that capability.

Lax regulations allowed her to store them irresponsibly.

US murder rates are STILL 3x higher than they are in the UK, despite the UK having higher rates of violent crime, chronically bad weather, ugly chicks, and plenty of hammers.



WHY?

WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?


Just answer the gawdamn question.

Why does the UK have over 3x the violent crime rate and 1/3 the murder rate?

How does that work?

What is the underlying reason the US has ~1/3 the violent crime and 3x the murder rate?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
For ONE wes,, the UK doesnt allow a flood of illegal gang and cartel to operate like we do.... Its probably HALF of our murder rates that are attributed to this very thing.

You are soo misinformed it is almost comical... almost.

Gang violence in the UK accounts for over 60% of the gun homicides in the UK. Just so you know, that is more than HALF and it is not a "probably" it is a fact.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
an exercise in futility
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Mechrist,

the reason is that there are more rural areas in the US per capita, so lower violence. (check the FBI chart Crimpie linked to) But there are more guns in the US, so that violence translates to deaths more often than if the violence was done with any other method.

If you get mad and grab a gun it is more likely to end in death than if you get mad and grab a golf club. This is why suicide by gun is so much more successful than suicide by most other methods commonly used.


So if the UK had as many guns per capita as the us, their gun death rate would be higher, the same ratio as the us vs: violence rate.




So what we need to do is not do away with guns, but just the large magazines so the worst of this problem will go away, poof! And none of the existing million out there that are causing this current problem, but just restrict the sales of any new ones. Our crime rate won't decrease, but it won't increase as fast either. Problem solved.





No, if you want to solve the problem of people shooting others with large capacity semi-auto's, if that is the problem you want to address, you have to TAKE AWAY the existing guns. Just changing the rules will still result in an increase of crime, because the millions of existing guns out there will still continue to kill people.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
the reason is that there are more rural areas in the US per capita, so lower violence.

HOLD IT RIGHT THERE!

That has been established. Population density is the reason the UK's rate of violent crime is 3.5 times higher. They are clearly more violent because they have a higher population density. Nobody is arguing, disputing, or questioning that. The question is....

Even with their much higher rate of violent crime, WHY DO THEY HAVE ONLY 1/3 the MURDER RATE of the US?


But there are more guns in the US, so that violence translates to deaths more often than if the violence was done with any other method.

Which is WHY there should be stricter gun regulations in the US. Unless of course having a 3x higher murder rate than those limey bastards is what we are going for... to prove how tough we are?
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