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Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
Haven't read this whole thread, but no gun debate is complete without BOGUS quotes from the Founding Fathers:

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/strongest-reason-people-to-retain-right-to-keep-and-bear-arms-quotation

Who cares if he didn't say it, send it to all yer NRA buds!

Hell, a real American would make it his email signature!


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
In the spirit of posting links for those who do not realize a world exists outside of www.*

I've never heard of this young guy, Ben Shapiro before but he seems damn intelligent and very articulate under heavy MSM troll fire. A rare combination this country needs.

Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiU8dyEYyGg

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Very astute analysis there Christ..... I expected more 'idiot' and 'd#@&%es' but that will do. Bravo!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:15am PT
Can't expect much more given the quality of the material I had to work with.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:36am PT
as expected,, brilliance from Biden,,, he now wants "smart guns" that can only be fired by the legal purchaser.... Smart guns???


smart guns......



if only Biden were....
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
as expected,, brilliance from Biden,,, he now wants "smart guns" that can only be fired by the legal purchaser.... Smart guns???

as a responsible, law abiding gun nut, why would you want a weapon that can be fired by someone else? So you can arm your 'friendlies' when Obama comes for your guns?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
President Obama should NOT have put together a commission to study ways to possibly reduce mass murder.

He should NOT have picked his own Vice President to head this commission.

Instead, he should have picked someone committed to NOT find solutions.

I will mock and ridicule any and all ideas his commission comes up with.



The ONLY solution is MORE guns, any fool like ME can see that.

MORE guns, more armed guards, more armed teachers, and NEVER "less" guns.

Freedom isn't free.

LOL, ROTFLMAO, etc etc







jstan

climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
There is an old principle of management. Never promote someone with enough ability to take your job from you. You put a person with little to no ability in office and you get even poorer people in very important positions. Obama has avoided any semblance of this old adage. An adage that not so long ago had terrible and what will prove to be lasting effect on the US. Ms Clinton is very able and might yet be persuaded to seek higher office. Jack Lew constructed the Fiscal Cliff Trap the republicans fell into. Not being joined at the hip to Wall Street is only one of his many talents. And Joe Biden handled this guy Bill Ryan extremely well. And when given an impossible job that had to be done in weeks, VP Biden has done a huge amount of work and done it thoroughly.

I would say he would not have done his job had he not looked to see what technologies are out there that might be of use. Only time will tell what will be of use and what will not. We, at the least, are not frozen into passivity as some would prefer. So that they may continue unobstructed personal pursuit of what is clearly a fetish.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
Seems like everything proposed so far will serve to diminish the utility of and make more difficult to use the tools of self defense.

When The Pros ( like the cops ) decide to incorporate truncated magagines or *smart* technology into their self sefense tools, then perhaps I'll consider following suit.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Fetish JStan?? Because some have a hobby of guns,, it is now a fetish?? Do climbers have gear fetishes then? Stamp collectors have stamp "fetishes" now?


As much as all you smoking POT have decided that law is stupid, do you now have a fetish? Its easy to pick and choose, isnt it..?

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
They're talking out of both sides of their mouths, Ron.

First, we're told gun owners need more training and education. But if you educate yourself ( as in knowing the difference between military rifles and military style rifles ) and you train often ( as in "go shooting" ), then you have a *fetish*.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
actually, the Merriam-Websters has an excellent definition that seems to fit... certainly in senses 1a, 1b, 2 and 3...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetish

1a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence
1b : an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion : prepossession
1c : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
2: a rite or cult of fetish worshipers
3: fixation
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Ed,, doood,, none of that fits anyhting..

I dont rub my guns in some phallic jesture ,, nor is their any "cult" of gun owners. they are from every walk of life , race, sex and political affiliation.

Are all marijuana users some "cult"?? If so that extends from top politicians on down to joe blow on the corner..


Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
an object believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence

the belief that guns are some guarantee of individual liberty to their owners is a clearly a "fetish" by the above definition.

The liberty of individuals is tied up in the concept of "We the People," as contradictory as that may seem. You will have no liberty in anarchy.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
"the belief that guns are some guarantee of individual liberty to their owners is a clearly a "fetish" by the above definition."





What you label a fetish is innocent people deciding not to be a victim. If that equals a fetish,, then ALL LIFE must to be a fetsih.. Everything wants to survive. Life fetish??
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
i look forward to YOU moving to the UK...


The UK,, attempting take overs for hundreds of years,, and FAILED every time. The UK got their arse kicked back in the 1700s here. You belong there.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
What you label a fetish is innocent people deciding not to be a victim.

no, what is fetish is the belief that guns are the answer to prevent victimization by crime. Crime has many causes, and all of them can be addressed by the action of communities. The belief that one can stand as an individual against these forces does not convey liberty to those individuals. Their choice locks them into a set of actions that are highly constrained by their perception of the threat.

Don't you want to exist without having to use guns to "protect" that existence?
Wouldn't that be preferred?
What is the meaning of liberty when you cannot act freely?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
why would you want a weapon that can be fired by someone else?

Anyone answer this yet? Or have they just stomped around like little kids DEMANDING that it won't work because they said so... and that it isn't a fetish... liberty... fascism... what's next "smart hammers"... UK... [insert non sequitur here]... whaaaa... I need my guns... nothing can change.... founding fathers... 1776... I'm sane, but I will start a civil war if anyone tries to change anything...


Hey Chaz, nobody said anything about cops anywhere. Step away from the slippery slope....

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
I said "cops" because they are the self defense professionals, and whenever I look for a tool, the first thing I do is find out what the pros are using.

If I were to take up biathalon, I'd find out what rifle the lady in the shot East Side Underground posted is shooting, and make that part of my pool of consideration.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
I said "cops" because they are the self defense professionals, and whenever I look for a tool, the first thing I do is find out what the pros are using.

Ah, but you see, YOU ARE NOT A PRO... so why the fuk do you think you should have access to PROFESSIONAL KILLING TOOLS? I drive a car... doesn't mean I should have access to a nitro burning funny car to drive around my neighborhood. Sounds like you may just have to satisfy your fetish by googling images of what the pros use.
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