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tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
if yopu sell more than 5 guns a tear you Must have an FFL i can't imagin that anyone who could afford a table at a gun show would be under 5 guns a year. the only show that i went to the sherrifs were manning the door and it seemed pretty regulated?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Monolith,

In California, background checks are done at gun shows, and are required of private sales, too.

The one exception is a straight-line transfer ( I don't remember the exact term ) where the gun is transfered straight from parent to offspring and the other way around.

Even two brothers have to work through a licensed dealer to legally transfer a gun in CA.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
That's California Chaz. Quite few states allow unlicensed vendors and private sales at gun shows. No background check required.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
Let those states change their laws.

I doubt the folks in Oregon or Washington would enjoy being told by Californians how they should run their affairs.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
And they will toughen their laws, because they see it works in CA. You can see proposed legislation in a number of states now to close the huge loopholes.

A huge amount of sales at gun shows go without background checks nationwide.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
You are forgetting population density issues again, Rong.

Don't you remember your discussion with Crimpie on murder rate stats? Are you having another senior moment?

She showed we have a lower murder rate than Oregon.

To refresh your memory: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2020680&tn=940
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
I dunno, Monolith.

The only shitholes worse than Oakland, San Bernardino, and Stockton are all located in places where the gun laws are even tougher ( like DC and Chicago ).

Maybe more laws aren't the answer you're looking for.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Unhinged is a minion, a very small cog in the machinery that floods millions of feet of celluloid and broadcasts endless hours of "drama" and bloodshed desensitizing, inspiring and glorifying violence.


He introduces a straw dog,

Look over here!

There are evil looking black rifles out there!

Even though you are far more likely to be pummeled to death with bare hands and fists than ever even injured by one. (DOJ stats)

But how many murders have been inspired by his industry?





mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Not MORE laws... BETTER laws.

TGT, UK has a violent crime rate 3.5 times HIGHER than the US, and 1/3 the number of murders. Why is that? What is the single most obvious difference? (hint: it has to do with having access to certain tools... and it ain't hamburgers or hammers.)
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
Every kind of gun mis-use you can imagine is already illegal. What makes you think "better" laws will be any more likely to be obeyed / enforced than the laws already on the books?
xtrmecat

Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
It is hilarious watching people shout and cry about how more laws, or tougher laws will deter criminals. It also is pathetic watching people spout off about how things are, with little to no consideration about different areas and cultures, only seeing the world from their neighborhood. Sad is probably the better term.

Burly Bob
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
Yup. Better laws. Gun free zone laws don't work. Except for Giffords, all mass murders over 4 casualties have been in Gun free zones. Shoulda made that law BETTER.



What about murder laws. Those could have been better.




If you think better means outlawing a tool that can be used to murder with, it is a slippery slope with no end. Remove one tool, and another will come along, that isn't logical.

Better laws will then have to be more laws. Banning the whatever people use to murder with next. Or do you truly think that Guns are the only weapon that is bad for people to kill with? Because if guns were not there, they would use something else and many people would still be killed by another method.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
Why do you think the number of drunk drivers on the road went down drastically when they started DUI check points?

It is just too fuking easy for me to buy a guns, sell them to someone WITH NO RECORD of the transaction, and have them end up in the wrong hands.

Each year, thousands of firearms are reported as lost or stolen.

oops, lost another one. Guess I'll just have to fill out another 10 min of paperwork and wait 10 days.


Here's a good place to start regarding BETTER laws.

ATF maintains the Interstate Theft Program, which is a voluntary reporting program that handles the theft or loss of firearms from interstate shipments. Since there is no legal reporting requirement regarding such activity, there is a risk that these thefts will not be reported or investigated because of questions regarding jurisdiction.

You see where FEDERAL regulations might come in handy there? It really ain't that hard to comprehend. I don't know why so many of you have to continue acting like dipshits.


Here's another specific area where BETTER regulation could work:

FFLs are required by statute to report to ATF the sale of two or more handguns to the same purchaser within five consecutive business days.

Why would someone ever NEED to purchase more than 1 hand gun a YEAR, or even a MONTH? Oh, right...

tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
But the guns used at sandy hook were stolen. And when she went to report it.... BAM! Were any other of these massacres that are motivating you to make more and better laws done with stolen weapons?




If you don't have a logical answer, please, feel free to comment on genitalia size.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
James Holmes purchased his weapons legally. His inspiration don't mean sh#t if he wasn't allowed to EASILY stockpile weapons and ammo through Amazon.

It should have been required to disclose Adam's mental health issues before Ms. Lanza was allowed to purchase her weapons and strict safety requirements should have been required for her to own them. Similar disclosures and enhanced safety precautions should be required for people living with, or frequently interacting with, ex-cons (if they aren't already).

Common sense.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
I can't think on one mass shooting where the shooter obtained his weapons legally? Can you name any?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
JAMES HOLMES you retard. Fact is, YOU CAN'T THINK, period.

"Authorities say all of Holmes' purchases were legal and there is no official system to track whether people are stockpiling vast amounts of firepower."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57478749/james-holmes-built-up-aurora-arsenal-of-bullets-ballistic-gear-through-unregulated-online-market/

More: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
We was crazy. He is saying so in court. Crazy people are "prohibited persons" as far as legal firearm ownership goes. Lying on the purchase forms is ILLEGAL, and any weapon obtained in that manner was obtained ILLEGALLY.

Holmes obtained his weapons fraudulently, and that ain't legal. In fact, it's a felony - a felony that if enforced, would have saved lives.

Weschrist would have you believe some felonies are legal.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
FUKING
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