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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
an object believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence

the belief that guns are some guarantee of individual liberty to their owners is a clearly a "fetish" by the above definition.

The liberty of individuals is tied up in the concept of "We the People," as contradictory as that may seem. You will have no liberty in anarchy.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
What you label a fetish is innocent people deciding not to be a victim.

no, what is fetish is the belief that guns are the answer to prevent victimization by crime. Crime has many causes, and all of them can be addressed by the action of communities. The belief that one can stand as an individual against these forces does not convey liberty to those individuals. Their choice locks them into a set of actions that are highly constrained by their perception of the threat.

Don't you want to exist without having to use guns to "protect" that existence?
Wouldn't that be preferred?
What is the meaning of liberty when you cannot act freely?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
why would you want a weapon that can be fired by someone else?

Anyone answer this yet? Or have they just stomped around like little kids DEMANDING that it won't work because they said so... and that it isn't a fetish... liberty... fascism... what's next "smart hammers"... UK... [insert non sequitur here]... whaaaa... I need my guns... nothing can change.... founding fathers... 1776... I'm sane, but I will start a civil war if anyone tries to change anything...


Hey Chaz, nobody said anything about cops anywhere. Step away from the slippery slope....

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
I said "cops" because they are the self defense professionals, and whenever I look for a tool, the first thing I do is find out what the pros are using.

If I were to take up biathalon, I'd find out what rifle the lady in the shot East Side Underground posted is shooting, and make that part of my pool of consideration.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
I said "cops" because they are the self defense professionals, and whenever I look for a tool, the first thing I do is find out what the pros are using.

Ah, but you see, YOU ARE NOT A PRO... so why the fuk do you think you should have access to PROFESSIONAL KILLING TOOLS? I drive a car... doesn't mean I should have access to a nitro burning funny car to drive around my neighborhood. Sounds like you may just have to satisfy your fetish by googling images of what the pros use.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
This eutopian dream on no guns...

Yo Ron, the needle is stuck on that sad old song again... the one nobody else can here... the one that keeps repeating "no guns." You should do something about that, it is starting to get old.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
Man tries to commit cop-a-cide on us 395,,,115 rounds later, he was hit three times. I havent shot that bad since i was eight.

The cop missed 112 times? When was the last time you were shot at Ron? I mean in REAL life, not some kids doing donuts in your parking lot that MIGHT have shot at you if you hadn't run them off. When is the last time you were in a shoot out?


And wes, Connecticut wants to introduce the barney fife bill.. ONLY single shot guns of any type.

Explain how that relates to "NO GUNS."


Much like all the pot heads of america,, gun owners will not be bullied into anything either.

Wow. Just wow. Wow.


I know several hunters this year that went numerous times and were un successful in shooting a deer.

Really? That sucks. I saw 5 drunk Mexicans who got 2 in the same day over near Wright's Lake... and they barely even spoke English.



The Federal Government administers safety standards/regulations for food, cars, drugs, and other consumer goods. Why not guns?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
And i see you dont like analogies where they hit home. oopsy...

In as much as i have NO RIGHT to tell another to use or not to use MJ, you have NO RIGHT to tell me what weapons i may own.

WTF are you rambling about? MJ isn't engineered to KILL. And pot heads are not screaming until their red in the face about the feds taking their pot... or starting a bloody civil war if anyone tries to take it away from them.


edit: Wes,, aint you cool to watch poaching and do nothing about it...pussy..

Oh, right, they were Mexican... so they MUST have been poaching... I see now... how could I have been so dumb!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
We are in no way going to take guns away from Americans.

The next gun nut who says we are planning to take them away should get kicked in the nut sack.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
In as much as i have NO RIGHT to tell another to use or not to use MJ, you have NO RIGHT to tell me what weapons i may own. AND that is a contitutional law "shall not be infringed upon"...

No, WesChrist does not personally have the right to tell YOU what weapons to own.

BUT, the Federal government and the State government DO have that right.

For example, citizens can NOT own certain chemical weapons, nukes, military grenades, SCUDS, and all kinds of other "weapons" on lists not approved for civilian usage.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
they... they... they... they....


The hallmark of a racist.


Who the fuk cares what eastside or hedge or you or any other individual wants? At least they are not threatening a bloody civil war if they don't get their way... or flat out refusing to hear ANY other options. Do you know what it means to be part of a society?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
Who's "threatening a bloody civil war", Wes?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
they... they... they... they... they...

I've had 2 speeding tickets in 25+ years. How is that relevant to anything?


Civil War:

Senate Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, D-Des Moines, remarked, “Anytime you talk about guns or gun control….it is the ultimate dog whistle issue for the base of the left and the right. It is hard to have a calm conversation when the issue of guns comes up. I am getting emails calling for civil war” from pro-gun activists, as well as strong voices critical of guns on the other side, he said.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130109/NEWS/130109028/1007/news05

I find the contrast amusing... calls for civil war from one side and "strong voices critical of guns" from the other.

They also said they would do everything they could to stop gun control and gun confiscation…. If the federal government wants to start a new Civil War, all they need to do is go ahead with gun confiscation.”
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14171-obama-executive-orders-on-guns-would-spark-mass-resistance

...and of course Alex Jones and James Yeager and all their fans.


As if they almost desire such a tragedy. They have even said so.

You are a despicable lying sack of sh#t for putting those words in my mouth.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
You are a clueless fukhead. Only in a world where gun fetishes trump measures to ensure responsible gun ownership could THAT be taken to mean I desire civil war. I said they are NOT... NOT screaming about civil war... NOT Rong. For fuk sakes you idiot!

You are an ignorant fukhead. I used to think you were playing, that nobody could be THAT stupid, that there must be some redeeming quality in you. But I was wrong. You are a delusion idiot.



Meanwhile, the gun nut side...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Well, how did things go for the heavily armed anti-government guys at Ruby Ridge?


The gov first shut off all their utilities, then surrounded the compound, and waited.

Then the gov "easily" killed damn near everyone in the compound when they fired at them

Shut off all utilities, fire in some tear gas, and the armed insurrection is over real fast.

What makes some people believe, seriously, that a big reason they "have" to own shitloads of guns is to "defend" against the US Armed Forces?

The gov would not even screw around anymore, just have a drone drop a 500 pound bomb and clean up the mess later.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
Pull your head out of


YOUR

GODDAMN

ASS

RON


I never said YOU were calling for civil war. There you go, being an idiot again. There are those who line up on the same side of the debate as you do, with many of the same irrational bullshit talking points, who are calling for civil war.

I have never once heard any pot head EVER talk about civil war if they don't get their herb.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
I said "cops" because they are the self defense professionals, and whenever I look for a tool, the first thing I do is find out what the pros are using.

Do you buy nail gun when you need to hang a picture on the wall?

Since when does a private citizen need to do the same thing that a cop does?

The applications of firearms for private citizens are vastly different than that of the cops.

It's a cop's job to engage and kill armed suspects. It's their job to keep shooting until the threat has been eliminated.

Private citizens can, and should, just run away.

Even in the most extraordinary circumstances, the average Joe doesn't need to get into a "shootout" with a criminal (except in the movies and in gun-fetish fantasies.)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
blah blah blah blah blah


You ignorant fukwad.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
"Private citizens can, and should, just run away."




Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps THE most absurd thing I have EVER read on ST.


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Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
Cragman,

Let's hear about your military service, Mr. Hero, Mr. Patriot.

Nah, you just cheer 'em on while your neighbor's kid's come home dead.

Honor and Integrity personified!


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