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monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 11, 2013 - 10:16pm PT
That's your logic?

His fear was 'waking the sleeping giant' who could mobilize a huge industry to make planes, tanks, ships. Nothing to do with the pea shooters a citizen might have.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 11, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
Hahahaha

That's about as long as you'd last as a grip

Even if you kept your mouth shut.

Yeah, I'm vastly overqualified for furniture moving.

And,

I can't help but feeling a bit sorry for anyone stuck in a job where "Keeping your mouth shut" is a prerequisite unless it involves national security.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
haha... yeah, the Japanese were frightened because of civilian guns... hahaa... and yet, somehow, we are being invaded by Mexico according to Rong.
jstan

climber
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
A commentator on NPR observed today that negotiations with the NRA tend not to be "feel good exercises."

It is such a treat to run into people who are not the functional equivalent of a zip lock bag full of testosterone. And, and, and with normal neurological capabilities.

Oh, and with regards to my post asking if guns have not become a fetish. Somewhere above someone posted a youtube showing four bikini clad women firing and explaining the features of four leading assault weapons.

I think I have the answer to my question.

Oh, and some other stuff of interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6_JpPvWCAQ

Modern flame thrower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkFU7o3IAaM

And then there is the A10. Fires 8000 rounds a minute of depleted uranium. In full firing the plane almost comes to a stop in the air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laNhSU-9XB0

You guys can handle this with tech 9. No problem.


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
In the spirit of posting links for those who do not realize a world exists outside of www.*

I've never heard of this young guy, Ben Shapiro before but he seems damn intelligent and very articulate under heavy MSM troll fire. A rare combination this country needs.

Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiU8dyEYyGg

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Very astute analysis there Christ..... I expected more 'idiot' and 'd#@&%es' but that will do. Bravo!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:15am PT
Can't expect much more given the quality of the material I had to work with.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
as expected,, brilliance from Biden,,, he now wants "smart guns" that can only be fired by the legal purchaser.... Smart guns???

as a responsible, law abiding gun nut, why would you want a weapon that can be fired by someone else? So you can arm your 'friendlies' when Obama comes for your guns?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
President Obama should NOT have put together a commission to study ways to possibly reduce mass murder.

He should NOT have picked his own Vice President to head this commission.

Instead, he should have picked someone committed to NOT find solutions.

I will mock and ridicule any and all ideas his commission comes up with.



The ONLY solution is MORE guns, any fool like ME can see that.

MORE guns, more armed guards, more armed teachers, and NEVER "less" guns.

Freedom isn't free.

LOL, ROTFLMAO, etc etc







jstan

climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
There is an old principle of management. Never promote someone with enough ability to take your job from you. You put a person with little to no ability in office and you get even poorer people in very important positions. Obama has avoided any semblance of this old adage. An adage that not so long ago had terrible and what will prove to be lasting effect on the US. Ms Clinton is very able and might yet be persuaded to seek higher office. Jack Lew constructed the Fiscal Cliff Trap the republicans fell into. Not being joined at the hip to Wall Street is only one of his many talents. And Joe Biden handled this guy Bill Ryan extremely well. And when given an impossible job that had to be done in weeks, VP Biden has done a huge amount of work and done it thoroughly.

I would say he would not have done his job had he not looked to see what technologies are out there that might be of use. Only time will tell what will be of use and what will not. We, at the least, are not frozen into passivity as some would prefer. So that they may continue unobstructed personal pursuit of what is clearly a fetish.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
Seems like everything proposed so far will serve to diminish the utility of and make more difficult to use the tools of self defense.

When The Pros ( like the cops ) decide to incorporate truncated magagines or *smart* technology into their self sefense tools, then perhaps I'll consider following suit.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
They're talking out of both sides of their mouths, Ron.

First, we're told gun owners need more training and education. But if you educate yourself ( as in knowing the difference between military rifles and military style rifles ) and you train often ( as in "go shooting" ), then you have a *fetish*.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
actually, the Merriam-Websters has an excellent definition that seems to fit... certainly in senses 1a, 1b, 2 and 3...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetish

1a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence
1b : an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion : prepossession
1c : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
2: a rite or cult of fetish worshipers
3: fixation
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
an object believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence

the belief that guns are some guarantee of individual liberty to their owners is a clearly a "fetish" by the above definition.

The liberty of individuals is tied up in the concept of "We the People," as contradictory as that may seem. You will have no liberty in anarchy.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
What you label a fetish is innocent people deciding not to be a victim.

no, what is fetish is the belief that guns are the answer to prevent victimization by crime. Crime has many causes, and all of them can be addressed by the action of communities. The belief that one can stand as an individual against these forces does not convey liberty to those individuals. Their choice locks them into a set of actions that are highly constrained by their perception of the threat.

Don't you want to exist without having to use guns to "protect" that existence?
Wouldn't that be preferred?
What is the meaning of liberty when you cannot act freely?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
why would you want a weapon that can be fired by someone else?

Anyone answer this yet? Or have they just stomped around like little kids DEMANDING that it won't work because they said so... and that it isn't a fetish... liberty... fascism... what's next "smart hammers"... UK... [insert non sequitur here]... whaaaa... I need my guns... nothing can change.... founding fathers... 1776... I'm sane, but I will start a civil war if anyone tries to change anything...


Hey Chaz, nobody said anything about cops anywhere. Step away from the slippery slope....

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
I said "cops" because they are the self defense professionals, and whenever I look for a tool, the first thing I do is find out what the pros are using.

If I were to take up biathalon, I'd find out what rifle the lady in the shot East Side Underground posted is shooting, and make that part of my pool of consideration.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
I said "cops" because they are the self defense professionals, and whenever I look for a tool, the first thing I do is find out what the pros are using.

Ah, but you see, YOU ARE NOT A PRO... so why the fuk do you think you should have access to PROFESSIONAL KILLING TOOLS? I drive a car... doesn't mean I should have access to a nitro burning funny car to drive around my neighborhood. Sounds like you may just have to satisfy your fetish by googling images of what the pros use.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
This eutopian dream on no guns...

Yo Ron, the needle is stuck on that sad old song again... the one nobody else can here... the one that keeps repeating "no guns." You should do something about that, it is starting to get old.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
Man tries to commit cop-a-cide on us 395,,,115 rounds later, he was hit three times. I havent shot that bad since i was eight.

The cop missed 112 times? When was the last time you were shot at Ron? I mean in REAL life, not some kids doing donuts in your parking lot that MIGHT have shot at you if you hadn't run them off. When is the last time you were in a shoot out?


And wes, Connecticut wants to introduce the barney fife bill.. ONLY single shot guns of any type.

Explain how that relates to "NO GUNS."


Much like all the pot heads of america,, gun owners will not be bullied into anything either.

Wow. Just wow. Wow.


I know several hunters this year that went numerous times and were un successful in shooting a deer.

Really? That sucks. I saw 5 drunk Mexicans who got 2 in the same day over near Wright's Lake... and they barely even spoke English.



The Federal Government administers safety standards/regulations for food, cars, drugs, and other consumer goods. Why not guns?
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