Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Ron, there are several factors to suppressors.
It isn't just about dbs.
Part of it is flash elimination, part of it is masking sound origin point.
But to your question; .45s are "naturally" subsonic, but burn times vary so sound duration vs intensity vary as well.
Certain loads in 9mm (like 147gr) and .40 are also subsonic.
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perswig
climber
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Any of you gun nuts need a Nosler reloading manual, I think #6?
Let me know, free for the mailing.
Dale
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Interesting.. I havent worked with any silencers,, but have been thinking of possible applications. Was discussing this with a buddy the other night and we thought of the sub sonic. But i also noted the 22 short is more quiet than the subsonic 22s.
Thinking of 223 as well (of course lol)..
So whats best for the silncers..9s---(wont go smaller)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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CCI .22 CB Long, in a bolt action rifle, is pretty damn quiet. Quieter than an air rifle.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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granted, but we are looking for larger caliber silencers. The MO the bettah...
The proper cal choice etc...
223 tend to be LOUD, and of course we have heard those at the range - doable, yet not quite enough. Short range is a consideration here.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Suppressing a 5.56mm can mask origin point and flash but is still pretty loud.
From my experience with suppressed pistols, .22LR and .45acp are best.
In the right hands a suppressed Ruger Mark II or III is a serious tool.
I have practiced half-second triple taps on melons.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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BANG.
You're dead.
Did I win?
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Just purchased my first suppressor. 22 caliber, fits three long guns. Can hardly wait until I can take legal delivery and tune the three different systems.
Burly Bob
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Dale, I would be psyched to have a Nosler manual if you want to get rid of it! It would fit in nicely with the Lyman, Sierra, Hornady, and Speer manuals that I have now. Been loading some Nosler 155gr and 168gr BTHP rounds. What can I send you in return?
Is this the one?
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Ricky D.
The only fight you win , gunfight or other , is the one you are able to avoid.
Burly Bob
As an after thought , you probably are not a good candidate for gun ownership.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Regarding suppressors… The quietest that I’ve ever shot is a bolt-action .45 ACP on an Enfield action. Super quiet. The loudest thing heard was the bullet smacking the target (a tree). I believe the Brits used something like this during WWII to take out dogs or Germans in guard towers without making any noise. .45 ACP is a great suppressed round.
A friend has a suppressor on a .308 in an AR-10 platform. You can shoot it without hearing protection but it’s not at all “quiet.” Same deal with .223 – not very quiet, but a suppressor does help, and as Piton mentioned above, a suppressor helps to “hide” the location of the shooter. A bolt-action will always be quieter than a semi-auto when using a suppressor, for obvious reasons. Do you want a suppressed pistol or a suppressed carbine?
Just built a 9mm AR pistol on a designated 9mm lower and will eventually turn it into an SBR with a suppressor. 7” barrel. 147gr XTP rounds, loaded subsonic, should work nicely.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I thought suppressors were illegal? (I'm being serious, for a change)
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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In Kalifornia… Not in the Free Lands.
$200 tax stamp to the ATFE with a background check by your local Sheriff and the Feds for each suppressor or firearm. Same deal for automatic weapons and short barreled rifles (SBRs). And then you wait and wait and wait. Then they give you your paperwork.
EDIT:
Anyone have any experience with the 6.8 SPC round?
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Anyone have any experience with the 6.8 SPC round?
No, but I've shot the 6.8 Grendel. Surprisingly flat shooting, has good range and knock down power without much kick. I had a comparison chart for 5.56, SPC, Grendel 7.62x39&51 but can't seem to find it. Thinking about building a Grendel on an AR platform instead of another AR-10.
I'll have to look into what exactly I can and can't get over here in CommieKali. Some things are on "the list" and some aren't. I usually can't get exactly what I want, but there's always something close.
I thought suppressors were illegal? (I'm being serious, for a change)
They are in California. People watch too much TV here to have an actual sense of reality.
Kalifornia, where we're promising a utopia one constitutional right at a time. On the bright side, even though our economy and schools are almost dead last, we have been able to reduce our carbon footprint (theoretically) one job at a time. ;)
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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so we were basically right about the .45 cal for suppression!?
Cool to know.. And we are looking into both rifle and hand gun capabilities here. Hadnt considered bolt action vs auto- seems silly now lol! Thanks my dooods!
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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No, but I've shot the 6.8 Grendel.
The Grendel round is 6.5mm. The 6.8 is much more common so ammo, brass, mags, parts, etc. are more readily available than for the 6.5. I’m thinking of building a 6.8 but am not sure if I want to go with a 16” barrel or an 18” barrel.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Ron, hate to break it to ya bro but even a S&W 50 cal ain't gonna touch yer ghost.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Huh?
Do you mean S&W .500 ?
I've shot a 6.5 X 284mm at over 600m.
Like a .22-250 on steroids, flat and fast.
Anybody know if FN's Ballista will soon be chambered in .300WSM ?
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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The Grendel round is 6.5mm.
Oops, that's what I meant. Obviously I need to slow down my typing so my brain can catch up.
The Grendel was SAAIM standardized so there are alot of manufacturers making it now. It also has far superior ballistics, punches harder at distance and reaches way beyond the capabilities of the 6.8. It was purpose built to fit the AR platform so I think all you need is barrel, bolt and mag. I'm probably just going to buy a complete upper and keep things simple. Either way, it's quickly gaining popularity in the shooting world and I wouldn't be surprised if it overtook the 6.8 in sales. There's even rumor the Military is looking into it as a replacement for both the 5.56 and 7.62, but I personally doubt it.
Just saying it's something worth looking into.
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perswig
climber
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Minerals, replied to your email - send an addy.
Also, 6.8 seems such a good carbine/CQ round, 16" would be ample?
Dale
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