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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:28am PT
norton, im skeptical,but was your "yeah" sarcastic?

Nothing gets by you, does it?
GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:35am PT
Zimmerman was involved in physical contact with Martin hence the ground work for self defense. . Your example of the Women falls flat when she left the residence and any immediate threat. The Law does not allow her to get a weapon and return to plunk away at her Husband . When she left the threat was over. She opened a new incident by returning armed. Had she shot and killed her Husband she would face some type of Murder / Manslaughter charge. There was a well publicized case a few years ago where a store owner was confronted by an armed robber. He was able to use his personal handgun to shoot the robber. Clear case of self defense. But after a short time he decided to finish the job and go over and shoot the immobile suspect. The suspect was down and no longer a threat. He was convicted of Murder if I remember right.He exceeded self defense buy using his weapon after the threat was over. Again the Law provides for the use of Self Defense, but within a defined scope.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:00am PT
I don't know as well HDDJ,

Law is different from one country to another. It has nothing to do with what is right, it has only to do with what is legal based on social justice.

In the USA, Zimmerman is set free. If he was Canadian and went as far as he did with the weapon he possessed, he would be looking at a 10 year sentence.

There are no sentimental/emotional laws about this sort of thing North of the border. Enter into a fist fight and end it with a gun in Canada ? You've assumed some problems pride can't address.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:09am PT
If Zimmerman initiated the final physical confrontation, then he's liable for what happened. TM gets to stand his ground too, doing what it takes to end the threat. We just don't know who initiated the final physical confrontation, so this self-defense and fear for safety talk could apply to both and thus means nothing.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:24am PT
Self defense has nothing to do with prevailing over anything. It also has nothing to do with having your shirt torn or looking dumb in front of your girlfriend.

It is and only is about defending your self. It's not a license to kill someone as dumb as yourself, nor is it an excuse for looking stupid publicly.

You can push someone away and run. You can meet their aggression equally, only. That's self defense. If you return to where your pride was hurt, with a gun and use it, you are a fool and justifiably treated as such by the law.

Using a gun doesn't equal remedy for hurt feelings if you have escaped an altercation.



blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:32am PT

There are no sentimental/emotional laws about this sort of thing North of the border. Enter into a fist fight and end it with a gun in Canada ? You've assumed some problems pride can't address.

I'll take your word for it cuz it's sort of consistent with what I saw in Squamish when I've been there years ago--lots of redneck types looking to beat up out-of-towners, not really in a "fair fight," just get some of their buddies and jump a victim;
friend's girlfriend almost got raped on a different trip to Canada;
theft from vehicles and campsites beyond a typical American's ability to conceive, with never even the slightest interest shown in trying to apprehend the thieves (there is some of that in US, but it's more the exception than the rule);
weirdest damn ghetto I've ever seen off of Hastings St. in downtown Van.

Still I gotta admit, it's a nice place, but I don't think most Americans are too eager to trade our whacky legal system for yours. Remember that things like the Trayvon case is more of a media creation than any sort of reflection of a "typical" murder.
WBraun

climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:34am PT
A real fighter knows when to stand his ground and when to walk away.
John M

climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:38am PT
You can meet their aggression equally, only. That's self defense.

How does a smaller weaker person meet a bigger stronger persons aggression equally? What happens if the other person gets in a lucky punch and you fear for your life because they are beating you senseless? Are you then allowed to pull out a weapon?

My question has nothing to do with the cases being discussed. Just a hypothetical.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:45am PT
There is an incredible level of rage over the sort of things you posted Blah.

The usual routine here is the federal police ( Royal Canadian Mounted Police-RCMP) are contracted to provide local law enforcement in many towns and cities. They are only answerable to the federal government though and not locally.

So, like your fun in Squamish, the constables probably didn't even get out of their car. They probably said, "you're both drunk, so f*#k off".

The rule of thumb in Canada is to just not go where the idiots (rednecks) go. Unless you're a redneck. If so, you will have the time of your life.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jul 17, 2013 - 02:38am PT
manzanita man:
why do you focus ALL your energy on 1 black getting killed by a hispanic when 10,000 blacks were killed by other blacks in the 16 months since it happened? those 9,999 other blacks killed were not worth a mention in the news? that proves rasicm by ALL of you.GFYS.

probably because it's apples and oranges. People get killed all the time, white, black, hispanic, asian, you name it. This is a specific case, with specific law that draws attention.

The fact that other black violent deaths weren't reported or responded to as vehemently does not prove racism (and if you're going to throw that around you should learn how to spell it).

Think outside of your ill conceived box.
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Jul 17, 2013 - 07:50am PT
Um, ah, uh, I think ekat is trying to tell us something . . .


Go read a Trip Report!

You are correct, OhGreatOne!

:-)
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 17, 2013 - 08:10am PT
^^^^^

Attention rsin ^^^^

Before you make an even bigger fool of yourself!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:30am PT
Anybody hear Holder yesterday?

Somebody breaks into your home and you should only be permitted to stand your ground if you are unable to run away?

Really?

You should be obliged to abandon your life's earnings rather than resist?



What a putz!!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Ron, got a link to that? I haven't been able to find it.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:35am PT
Toker's making crap up again. Holder said nothing about the home.
WBraun

climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:36am PT
Eric holder is a total aszhole who should be fired.

He should never have been hired in the first place to begin with.

He's a terrorist to begin with.

Why do you people keep sh!theads like these in your govt?

Obummer only hires Israel terrorists to run the American govt. .....

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:38am PT
No link, watched him on the news.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Jul 17, 2013 - 11:00am PT
GRETNA, La. (AP) Authorities say they have arrested a man accused of killing a 6-year-old Louisiana girl whose body was found stabbed and beaten inside a trash bin.
Jefferson Parish Sheriff Newell Normand says Matthew Flugence was arrested Tuesday night in Westwego, just outside New Orleans.
Normand says the 20-year-old Flugence was carrying a knife when he was arrested but did not resist deputies.
Flugence faces a first-degree murder charge in the death of Ahlittia (UH-lih-tee-uh) North. He also was wanted on a charge of sexual battery involving an 11-year old girl.
North disappeared late Friday night or early Saturday morning. Her body was found early Tuesday morning in a trash bin just feet from the apartment where she lived.

wheres al, jesse and the rest of the dumbasses? oh wait, it was a black man that did this so there is no outrage.do you see the problem yet?
dirtbag

climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 11:10am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^ crossburnertopo.com^^^^^^^
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 17, 2013 - 11:13am PT
do you see the problem yet?

Yes, you are a judgmental racist scum bag who hasn't been banned. yet.
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