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GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
If you read the Court Testimony and review the Evidence exclusively, it is clear how the jury was able to form it's reasonable doubt. There will be no Civil Trial as Florida Statute precludes Civil Liability in cases of Self Defense. This was never a case of Stand Your Ground, and was not presented in Court as such. It was simple Self Defense legally. The FBI has already conducted an extensive investigation into George Zimmerman's possible Racial prejudice,hatred,etc. in interviewing in excess of 30 individuals and concluded there was no basis for Labeling him a Racist in name or action. The Justice Dept. is free to proceed with a Civil Rights Case despite the FBI report, just as the State of Florida proceeded with it's Prosecution despite the refusal of the local Prosecutor.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Quite obviously that was Chambers' fault. He's a thug, after all.

philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Yeah he was totally guilty of being a Black Man.

I am sure our resident Retardlicans would say if only he had been packin' heat he coulda blowd that bitch away.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
Ron queried
HD if America doesnt like racists, then tell me what you think of obamas march 2012 speech where he labels TM as "his son"..


I don't think you "get" racism.


Ron raged
The trial is over, NOT GIULTY the finding,

so stop your pissing, yur moaning, yur whinning

The jury decided this case for you and me

thats how laws work, in REALITY.

You bought the smear the newscasters gave

as it turns out they played you the nave

So sorry the ending was not what thought


I don't think you "get" trial by jury. You realize that they do not in fact decide what reality is, right? Or even right vs wrong? Given the evidence that existed and the absurdly broad statute for "self defense" in Florida, it seems like Zimmerman SHOULD have been found not guilty. That doesn't mean it's just, or right. It's just legal.

Explain this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/

(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville had said the state's "Stand Your Ground" law should apply to her because she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home in August 2010. She told police it was to escape a brutal beating by her husband, against whom she had already taken out a protective order.

CBS Affiliate WETV reports that Circuit Court Judge James Daniel handed down the sentence Friday.

Under Florida's mandatory minimum sentencing requirements Alexander couldn't receive a lesser sentence, even though she has never been in trouble with the law before. Judge Daniel said the law did not allow for extenuating or mitigating circumstances to reduce the sentence below the 20-year minimum.

"I really was crying in there," Marissa Alexander's 11-year-old daughter told WETV. "I didn't want to cry in court, but I just really feel hurt. I don't think this should have been happening."

Alexander was convicted of attempted murder after she rejected a plea deal for a three-year prison sentence. She said she did not believe she did anything wrong.

So apparently in Florida if you shoot to warn, you're an almost murderer and deserve jail time. If you shoot to kill you're "standing your ground" and a hero.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
I blame marijuana and skittles combination.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
ANY and ALL CCW classes will TELL YOU "warning shots" should NEVER exist. period.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
HiDesertDJ writes:

"So apparently in Florida if you shoot to warn, you're an almost murderer and deserve jail time. If you shoot to kill you're "standing your ground" and a hero."


Not in her case ( look it up, check the details, and you'll see ). Marissa Alexander left the house, went to her vehicle, got a gun, and then came back before shooting the place up. If she had killed her old man, she'd be up on FIRST DEGREE MURDER charges.

*warning shots* = assault with a deadly weapon.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Funny cuz steps like warning shots and non lethal rounds prove to law enforcement that you are defending yourself, not intending to murder. But sure Ronny, take the gun nuts advice
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
IF TM was your son in your neighborhood it would be impossible to justify why he was killed. When they do a review of the GZ's training and qualifications who ever hired him is probably going to get sued. and it isn't going to help that GZ was into MM arts.

To assume that GZ is OK because he is not guilty forgets that he probably feels guilty for causing this whole thing. He is going to have to live his whole life knowing he killed an innocent kid because he is an idiot. He hasn't really gotten away with anything; there is no escaping it.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
I seriously doubt he gives a sh#t. Shooting and then getting off is a neighborhood watches wet dream. Expect rent a cops to get a lot more agro.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
The homeowner association was already sued and has settled.

They don't want screwups like GZ around. It costs them money big time.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Ron responded
ANY and ALL CCW classes will TELL YOU "warning shots" should NEVER exist. period.


Scared to actually respond authentically, eh? It's ok. Most of us can accurately guess your answer.


Chaz replied
Not in her case ( look it up, check the details, and you'll see ). Marissa Alexander left the house, went to her vehicle, got a gun, and then came back before shooting the place up. If she had killed her old man, she'd be up on FIRST DEGREE MURDER charges.

Thanks for clarifying. So if you are threatened in your own house by a man that you have a restraining order against and he won't leave and you go and get your gun and try to scare him off you're an attempted murderer but if you stalk someone with a gun already on your person, get out of the car when authorities tell you not to, follow them down a public road and then find yourself in a fistfight with them you are "protecting yourself."

Man that sh#t is so much clearer now. Aren't women like her EXACTLY the example that gun nuts bring up all the time? The woman with an abusive mate who needs an AR-15 to defend herself?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
No its simply that if i have to tell you about the laws and policies regarding ccws, then you really shouldnt know the particulars anyhow. There is no point to it.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
HDDJ,

The point is she escaped the house and could have kept on going. She went back in guns blazing.

As an aside there is no doubt Zimmerman would have been given 20 years for murder 2 or manslaughter in a 3 week trial, if his trial had been moved to Canada.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
As an aside there is no doubt Zimmerman would have been given 20 years for murder 2 or manslaughter in a 3 week trial, if his trial had been moved to Canada.

That's interesting. So someone who is defending himself would get 20 years, but a deranged serial murderer rapist (whose victims were teenaged girls who were videotaped as they were raped and tortured) gets 12 years in prison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka#Prison

Great justice system you got there, we're so jealous!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
The point is she escaped the house and could have kept on going. She went back in guns blazing.

Exactly the kind of "protect your castle" crap the "this is a glock neighborhood, we don't call 911" camp crows about all the time.

(Also, exactly what Zimmerman could have done.)


patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Blah, that's a .messed up story! Body parts in cement blocks, but she has 3 kids now? !
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
BlahBlah,

There was just as much outrage in Canada about Karla Homolka getting a deal as there was about OJ being aquitted in the USA. We could mutually pick away at who has the worst cops, lawyers and judiciary until Jay-sus returns.
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:49pm PT


gun know-nothings


Bruce Lee was killed by a blank round.



Actually, it was his son, Brandon Lee.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
Is anyone changing anyone's mind here?
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