Florida stand Your ground law?


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John M

Jul 17, 2013 - 01:38am PT
You can meet their aggression equally, only. That's self defense.

How does a smaller weaker person meet a bigger stronger persons aggression equally? What happens if the other person gets in a lucky punch and you fear for your life because they are beating you senseless? Are you then allowed to pull out a weapon?

My question has nothing to do with the cases being discussed. Just a hypothetical.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:45am PT
There is an incredible level of rage over the sort of things you posted Blah.

The usual routine here is the federal police ( Royal Canadian Mounted Police-RCMP) are contracted to provide local law enforcement in many towns and cities. They are only answerable to the federal government though and not locally.

So, like your fun in Squamish, the constables probably didn't even get out of their car. They probably said, "you're both drunk, so f*#k off".

The rule of thumb in Canada is to just not go where the idiots (rednecks) go. Unless you're a redneck. If so, you will have the time of your life.

Trad climber
Here and There
Jul 17, 2013 - 02:38am PT
manzanita man:
why do you focus ALL your energy on 1 black getting killed by a hispanic when 10,000 blacks were killed by other blacks in the 16 months since it happened? those 9,999 other blacks killed were not worth a mention in the news? that proves rasicm by ALL of you.GFYS.

probably because it's apples and oranges. People get killed all the time, white, black, hispanic, asian, you name it. This is a specific case, with specific law that draws attention.

The fact that other black violent deaths weren't reported or responded to as vehemently does not prove racism (and if you're going to throw that around you should learn how to spell it).

Think outside of your ill conceived box.

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Jul 17, 2013 - 07:50am PT
Um, ah, uh, I think ekat is trying to tell us something . . .

Go read a Trip Report!

You are correct, OhGreatOne!


Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 17, 2013 - 08:10am PT

Attention rsin ^^^^

Before you make an even bigger fool of yourself!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:30am PT
Anybody hear Holder yesterday?

Somebody breaks into your home and you should only be permitted to stand your ground if you are unable to run away?


You should be obliged to abandon your life's earnings rather than resist?

What a putz!!

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Ron, got a link to that? I haven't been able to find it.

SF bay area
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:35am PT
Toker's making crap up again. Holder said nothing about the home.

Jul 17, 2013 - 10:36am PT
Eric holder is a total aszhole who should be fired.

He should never have been hired in the first place to begin with.

He's a terrorist to begin with.

Why do you people keep sh!theads like these in your govt?

Obummer only hires Israel terrorists to run the American govt. .....

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:38am PT
No link, watched him on the news.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Jul 17, 2013 - 11:00am PT
GRETNA, La. (AP) — Authorities say they have arrested a man accused of killing a 6-year-old Louisiana girl whose body was found stabbed and beaten inside a trash bin.
Jefferson Parish Sheriff Newell Normand says Matthew Flugence was arrested Tuesday night in Westwego, just outside New Orleans.
Normand says the 20-year-old Flugence was carrying a knife when he was arrested but did not resist deputies.
Flugence faces a first-degree murder charge in the death of Ahlittia (UH-lih-tee-uh) North. He also was wanted on a charge of sexual battery involving an 11-year old girl.
North disappeared late Friday night or early Saturday morning. Her body was found early Tuesday morning in a trash bin just feet from the apartment where she lived.

wheres al, jesse and the rest of the dumbasses? oh wait, it was a black man that did this so there is no outrage.do you see the problem yet?

Jul 17, 2013 - 11:10am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^ crossburnertopo.com^^^^^^^

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 17, 2013 - 11:13am PT
do you see the problem yet?

Yes, you are a judgmental racist scum bag who hasn't been banned. yet.

Gym climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Anybody hear Holder yesterday?

Somebody breaks into your home and you should only be permitted to stand your ground if you are unable to run away?


You should be obliged to abandon your life's earnings rather than resist?

What a putz!!

Yes, Holder is especially a putz when one considers that there is no "duty to retreat" under federal law. If Holder isn't aware of that, he's incompetent. If he is aware of that, it's pretty disgusting that he's criticizing FL law for being the same as US law, but conveniently "forgetting" to mention it when he's trying to get people worked up.

For an explanation of the lack of duty to retreat under federal law, see Brown v. U.S., 256 U.S. 335 (1921) (opinion by J. Holmes, one of the most illustrious justices to have graced the SC).
The trial judge gave the following instruction, and the SC reversed, explaining that there is no duty to retreat:
"It is necessary to remember, in considering the question of self-defense, that the party assaulted is always under the obligation to retreat, so long as retreat is open to him, provided he can do so without subjecting himself to the danger of death or great bodily harm."

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
You should be obliged to abandon your life's earnings rather than resist?

yes, I believe this is the general legal directive

in other words, you can "defend" you own life or the lives of others

but you cannot kill simply to defend property

so, if a guy broke into your home at night and you heard him and came out your bedroom with your handgun and saw him stealing your TV then no you cannot shoot him as your life was not in immediate or eminent danger

now, if the guy dropped the TV and advanced towards you with a knife or even without a weapon then you could shoot him dead and have a good case that you feared for you life

get the diference? this is what I was taught in CCL class
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
In America people just like to kill things, part of our great culture.

Sport climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Duty To Retreat was F'n irrelevant in Zimmerman's case because
-- pinned to the ground with Martin on top of him,
bashing his head on the concrete
    he was unable to retreat.




Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
that ISNT what the "Castle doctrine" says Norton..

duh, I was not referring to the Castle doctrine Ron

that "doctrine" is only in effect in specific states, Texas being one of the first

depends on what state you live in, Ron
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
It is sickening that so many white conservative males support a wannabe cop with a penis extension instigating a confrontation with a 17 year old kid based on NOTHING BUT APPEARANCE. The UNDENIABLE FACT is Zimmerman pursued an innocent kid and instigated a confrontation... something he NEVER would have done without his gun. Trayvon defended himself with his fists, the only thing he could do. Apparently that is punishable by death... with GZ the judge and executioner. But GZ defending himself with a gun against a 17 year old kid HE CONFRONTED is legitimate self-defense... as determined by a jury of 6 women.

You people are so fuked in the head.

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
We wouldn't want to let facts get in the way now!

Florida stand your ground laws have helped minorities more than whites .

Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites.

One hundred thirty three people in the state of Florida have used a “Stand Your Ground” defense. Of these claims, 73 were considered “justified” (55 percent), while 39 resulted in criminal convictions and 21 cases are still pending.

Forty four African Americans in the state of Florida have claimed a “Stand Your Ground” defense. Of these claims, 24 were considered “justified” (55 percent), while 11 resulted in convictions and nine cases are still pending.

Of the 76 white people who have used the defense, 40 were considered “justified” (less than 53 percent), while 25 were convicted and 11 cases are still pending.

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