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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Anybody hear Holder yesterday?

Somebody breaks into your home and you should only be permitted to stand your ground if you are unable to run away?

Really?

You should be obliged to abandon your life's earnings rather than resist?



What a putz!!

Yes, Holder is especially a putz when one considers that there is no "duty to retreat" under federal law. If Holder isn't aware of that, he's incompetent. If he is aware of that, it's pretty disgusting that he's criticizing FL law for being the same as US law, but conveniently "forgetting" to mention it when he's trying to get people worked up.

For an explanation of the lack of duty to retreat under federal law, see Brown v. U.S., 256 U.S. 335 (1921) (opinion by J. Holmes, one of the most illustrious justices to have graced the SC).
The trial judge gave the following instruction, and the SC reversed, explaining that there is no duty to retreat:
"It is necessary to remember, in considering the question of self-defense, that the party assaulted is always under the obligation to retreat, so long as retreat is open to him, provided he can do so without subjecting himself to the danger of death or great bodily harm."
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
You should be obliged to abandon your life's earnings rather than resist?

yes, I believe this is the general legal directive

in other words, you can "defend" you own life or the lives of others

but you cannot kill simply to defend property

so, if a guy broke into your home at night and you heard him and came out your bedroom with your handgun and saw him stealing your TV then no you cannot shoot him as your life was not in immediate or eminent danger

now, if the guy dropped the TV and advanced towards you with a knife or even without a weapon then you could shoot him dead and have a good case that you feared for you life

get the diference? this is what I was taught in CCL class
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
In America people just like to kill things, part of our great culture.
abrams

Sport climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Duty To Retreat was F'n irrelevant in Zimmerman's case because
-- pinned to the ground with Martin on top of him,
bashing his head on the concrete
    he was unable to retreat.

Bang!

Justified.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
that ISNT what the "Castle doctrine" says Norton..

duh, I was not referring to the Castle doctrine Ron

that "doctrine" is only in effect in specific states, Texas being one of the first

depends on what state you live in, Ron
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
It is sickening that so many white conservative males support a wannabe cop with a penis extension instigating a confrontation with a 17 year old kid based on NOTHING BUT APPEARANCE. The UNDENIABLE FACT is Zimmerman pursued an innocent kid and instigated a confrontation... something he NEVER would have done without his gun. Trayvon defended himself with his fists, the only thing he could do. Apparently that is punishable by death... with GZ the judge and executioner. But GZ defending himself with a gun against a 17 year old kid HE CONFRONTED is legitimate self-defense... as determined by a jury of 6 women.

You people are so fuked in the head.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
We wouldn't want to let facts get in the way now!

Florida stand your ground laws have helped minorities more than whites .


Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites.


One hundred thirty three people in the state of Florida have used a “Stand Your Ground” defense. Of these claims, 73 were considered “justified” (55 percent), while 39 resulted in criminal convictions and 21 cases are still pending.

Forty four African Americans in the state of Florida have claimed a “Stand Your Ground” defense. Of these claims, 24 were considered “justified” (55 percent), while 11 resulted in convictions and nine cases are still pending.

Of the 76 white people who have used the defense, 40 were considered “justified” (less than 53 percent), while 25 were convicted and 11 cases are still pending.



http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
Oh, yeah, the daily caller... the unfair and unbalanced version of Fux news... complete with NO details of the methods used for analysis or reference to the actual data used in the analysis... brilliant!

Founded by libertarian conservative political pundit Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney...
dirtbag

climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
^^^^^^ lol ^^^^^^
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
That how TGT rolls...racist to core.

Like GZ these little wankers couldn't defend themsleves against a young black kid with a bag of candy.

Had to pull a gun...unbelievable. Both could have walk away from this encounter. Sadly the chicken ass with the gun who was getting his ass handed to him was the only one to walk away.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Only a fuking coward would go out of their way to instigate a confrontation based ONLY on appearances and then pull a gun in "self-defense." And only a bigoted idiot would defend such actions and shrug off the death of an innocent 17 year old as the price we have to pay to be safe.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
Dr wrote: Only a fuking coward would go out of their way to instigate a confrontation and then pull a gun in "self-defense."


Which is why these wankers on this thread are defending him...like looking in mirror.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Is breaking someone's nose a reasonable response to being followed?
Jemarr

Social climber
Chico
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Uh oh the Bob da having erectile dysfunction issues? Those pills giveth and taketh away.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Chaz wrote: Is breaking someone's nose a reasonable response to being followed?


Is pulling a gun and killing a kid that you just stalked a reasonable response for getting your ass handed too you in an encounter that you provoke?

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Jemarr=KKK

What a little fake/coward.
Jemarr

Social climber
Chico
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Children crying because they did not get the verdict they wanted.


Bob D'a = confirmed a KKK



Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Racist cowards rejoicing because they got the verdict that they wanted.

GZ will get his...it just a matter of time.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Bob D'a writes:

"Is pulling a gun and killing a kid that you just stalked a reasonable response for getting your ass handed too you in an encounter that you provoke?"



I don't know, Bob.

I saw someone getting his head pounded on concrete - Trayvon style - once. It'll make you sick. I took extreme violent action to stop it, and it wasn't even my head being bashed.

I saw a guy get killed in a fist-fight once. It was said he died when his head hit the ground after being knocked cold on his feet. His head only hit concrete once.

I'll let the guy at the receiving end of a violent felony assault make the call as to how he defends himself.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Is breaking someone's nose a reasonable response to being followed?

Absolutely. If someone followed me at night for a few blocks and then got out of their car and ran to within punching distance without identifying themselves, you bet your ass I would clock them.

You know that bullshit "self-defense" you idiots use to defend GZ's execution of Trayvon? The one that goes something like...

"a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first."

Why do you all pretend that only applies to people with guns?

Trayvon was FAR more justified in defending himself with his fists than GZ ever was. Trayvon never pursued or approached GZ.


GZ will get his...it just a matter of time.
Chaz

Yep.
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