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Tready

Trad climber
Quito
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
This stand your ground business is batshitcrazy. In theory (always fun to do), Martin coulda pulled a gun, killed his attacker, and then HE'D have been a hero!

*head explodes*

I'm still confused over why Zimmerman was fearing for his life; doesn't seem like his injuries were that severe.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
The one thing that both the Zimmerman and Alexander cases have in common is a a lazy and ignorant press interested in only what sells.

You have to dig deep into the Alexander story to find this

Alexander was also charged with domestic battery four months after the shooting in another assault on Gray, which many said indicated little remorse over the first incident. She pleaded no contest and was sentenced to time served.

I'm still confused over why Zimmerman was fearing for his life;

How a bout if someone sits on your chest and pummels the crap out of you?



blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
BlahBlah,

There was just as much outrage in Canada about Carla Homolka getting a deal as there was about OJ being aquitted in the USA. We could mutually pick away at who has the worst cops, lawyers and judiciary until Jay-sus returns.

Yeah, I was just busting your balls, I'd say "joking," but there's nothing funny about these sick miscarriages of justice; I'm sure they happen the world over to some extent. Zimm wasn't a miscarriage IMO, but as other's have noted on this thread, the type of thing that's bound to happen when you have easily available concealed carry permits, generous self defense laws, and a beyond-a-reasonable doubt burden of proof.
I'm in favor of all those things individually, but when you put them all together, you're going to have some uncomfortable results.

I'd like some creative ideas--here's one I've had--to get a concealed carry permit, you have to waive your 5th Amendment right to remain silent; you agree to a police interview in any shooting you're involved in, and your refusal could be used against you.
Probably wouldn't have changed anything here as Zimm did cooperate with police, but could be a start.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
jury has rested, move along.

and if you dont think there will be riots, lol. they wanted to riot and steal but the cops were ready. they are planning a day when the cops are not ready.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
Interesting take on assuming the responsibilities of freedom Blah.

Now about Karla's release, there was definitely nation wide conjecture about meeting her in a bar.
"Hi, I'm Karla"...

Uh... really ? Oh look, my drink needs fresh ice cubes, I'll be right back...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
they wanted to riot and steal but the cops were ready. they are planning a day when the cops are not ready.


You guys have a national donut day?


Only in Pakistan and America is it lawful and expected that people walk around with loaded weapons for the sole purpose of killing people.

Do you think there is a correlation?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
You have to dig deep into the Alexander story to find this

Alexander was also charged with domestic battery four months after the shooting in another assault on Gray, which many said indicated little remorse over the first incident. She pleaded no contest and was sentenced to time served.

And Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a cop and beating his wife, but that doesn't seem to matter in his case.

If I was Martin's dad, I'd have real reason to be concerned for my life. This Zimmerman has already attacked and killed one member of his family.
Gerg

Trad climber
Calgary
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
I'd like some creative ideas--here's one I've had--to get a concealed carry permit, you have to waive your 5th Amendment right to remain silent; you agree to a police interview in any shooting you're involved in, and your refusal could be used against you.
Probably wouldn't have changed anything here as Zimm did cooperate with police, but could be a start.

I think this is the most constructive comment so far, at least the poster is ignoring the hot-under-the-collar take, and brainstorming.

Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 16, 2013 - 12:11am PT
That's interesting. So someone who is defending themselves...

That's interesting. So someone who follows a 17 year old kid for NO LEGITIMATE REASON, gets out of their car with a gun convinced the kid is "up to no good or on drugs or something" based ONLY on appearances, and instigates a confrontation is defending themselves?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 16, 2013 - 01:19am PT
Things that make you go hmmmm?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6OuP-wiiQg

This is worth the few moments it takes to watch.
thebravecowboy

Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Jul 16, 2013 - 01:26am PT
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stand-ground-case-raises-specter-racial-double-standard-article-1.1399073

double-standards based on race in the US, who'da thunk it?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 16, 2013 - 06:28am PT
TGT said
How a bout if someone sits on your chest and pummels the crap out of you?


Or when some creepy dude with a gun muttering to himself follows you down the road. Under Florida's law whoever wins a fight by shooting the other guy is legally defending themselves and the other guy is the assailant because there is nobody left to tell the story. The only difference is that had Martin shot Zimmerman, he probably would have been arrested immediately.


Tready

Trad climber
Quito
Jul 16, 2013 - 09:06am PT
The injuries I've seen reported don't look like they were life threatening at all. Not necessarily the type one gets from a fight to the death, more like the type you might get during a playground shoving match. What did Zimmerman have, a couple scrapes on the back of his head? How can you look at something like that and say it justifies murder?
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jul 16, 2013 - 09:11am PT
Zimmerman is a little whiney girl, and the great state of Florida defends his right to kill the black man that beat his rent a cop a$$.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 16, 2013 - 10:35am PT
I'll be the first to admit that it likely happens less often, but white people have been seriously denied justice from time to time, however I can't seem to remember other white people taking to the street to destroy innocent people's property as a way to express anger.

The rioters last night were their own worst enemies.
That is not the way to procure a remedy to our social ills.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jul 16, 2013 - 10:43am PT
just read it:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/trayvon_martin_verdict_racism_hate_crimes_prosecution_and_other_overreactions.html
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 16, 2013 - 10:56am PT
Murder is apparently level in Florida
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:13am PT
however I can't seem to remember other white people taking to the street to destroy innocent people's property as a way to express anger.

You've got some memory loss?







Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Thats my point Gary.

It has been a while.


Time to grow up.

Even here in whitebread racist Utah the last lynching of a black man was 80 years ago.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:31am PT
The last lynching in NV was a white guy. Do we get bonus points for that?
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