Florida stand Your ground law?

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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 16, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
Ron said
well,, not one word about the white beating victim that just died - a retaliation "for treyvon"... I guess that makes it all even now right?


I don't know. Did the perpetrator get off for self defense?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 16, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
So no point for you then.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 16, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
Um, ah, uh, I think ekat is trying to tell us something . . .


Go read a Trip Report!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 16, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
How about every everyone who doesn't have a job ?

rSin, you are a dreamer. There are people of any colour with proper professional education, fighting tooth and nail for a coffee shop job.

It's about what's marketable. And before you wave your magic "racist" wand in my direction, I live in a place where there is very little interest in what people look like and all scrutiny on what a person can do for the least amount of money.

Werner's right. You need a vacation, especially to anywhere outside of Riverside. You Riverside types seem to have the biggest chip on your shoulder with the smallest diameter of travel.

So avoid being profiled, you "hard workin', workin' man" and go see the world. It only takes a ticket or a tank of gas and doesn't matter where you come from.




Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
i get reminded when i ask "why are they poor" im a communist...

Well, are you?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
"Stand your ground" had absolutely nothing to do with the Zimmerman case.

In the Alexander case she's a victim of "gun control" laws that mandate a minimum 20 year sentence with no discretion by the judge.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
rSin,

You really need to think logically. First you decry the BS that is "Stand your Ground", then you defend a woman who had escaped from the harm her ex could do to her. She then went out to the car, returning with a gun and started shooting away.

She was free of danger even if it would occur in her own home. She decided to go back and shoot a gun off as a warning ?

She was free and away from harm initially, get it ?

It's impossible to shoot and kill a house.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
dr. f. arsin you are both fuking dumbasses.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
heres a question for you dumbasses.

why do you focus ALL your energy on 1 black getting killed by a hispanic when 10,000 blacks were killed by other blacks in the 16 months since it happened? those 9,999 other blacks killed were not worth a mention in the news? that proves rasicm by ALL of you.GFYS.
Tready

Trad climber
Quito
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
The same reason you seem to be focusing on this one case? And how does that make people racist? Please spell it out for us stupid folks.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Manzito,

That has nothing to do with why there is focus on this issue.

Dude was told to stop his BS by the legal authorities but he continued just the same, resulting in a death and his eventual acquittal for acting like his movie idols.

I do think this is a light on the acceptance of a security guard mentality without the responsibility.

Who are these people ? 4 hours "training" at a strip mall and a bad haircut equals moral and legal authority ?





GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Dr.F :
Can you direct me to the Trial testimony or evidence that backs your statement that Zimmerman threw the first blow and "Started the Fight" Jim Brennan made the same statement and I'm at a loss to see that documented in the Trial.Zimmerman's statement was that he followed Martin and Martin threw the first punch. This Case was defended on the basis of self defense and the Jury agreed.By some of the opinions expressed in this thread it is easy to see that folks do not know or understand the laws as they pertain to the use of force and self defense. That would be natural for Individuals who do not own firearms or more specifically do not have a concealed carry permit. As much as some would like to believe that Gun owners have been given freedom to shoot it out with all they disagree with, State and or Federal laws do place a responsibility with a gun Owner. I have no need for a Legally concealed weapon, but I know many who choose to and they are very conscience of the liability and responsibility that choice entails. The Prosecution was unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to the Jury That Zimmerman"s use of his concealed weapon exceeded the Laws governing Florida.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:02am PT
The instigator of the final confrontation was not determined by the evidence. Only GZ knows. Knott surprising the jury was evenly split on the first vote.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:12am PT
You really need to think logically. First you decry the BS that is "Stand your Ground", then you defend a woman who had escaped from the harm her ex could do to her. She then went out to the car, returning with a gun and started shooting away.

She was free of danger even if it would occur in her own home. She decided to go back and shoot a gun off as a warning ?

She was free and away from harm initially. get it ?


Right, so how come Zimmerman is "not guilty" for running after the person he felt was threatening even though he had the ability to have run away? Zimmerman ran into the proverbial house. If that woman was Zimmerman, she would have called 911, went to her car, got back out with a gun and shot the guy dead and then gotten away scott free. Her only mistake was not killing him and saying she felt threatened in the process.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:28am PT
norton, im skeptical,but was your "yeah" sarcastic?

Nothing gets by you, does it?
GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Jul 17, 2013 - 12:35am PT
Zimmerman was involved in physical contact with Martin hence the ground work for self defense. . Your example of the Women falls flat when she left the residence and any immediate threat. The Law does not allow her to get a weapon and return to plunk away at her Husband . When she left the threat was over. She opened a new incident by returning armed. Had she shot and killed her Husband she would face some type of Murder / Manslaughter charge. There was a well publicized case a few years ago where a store owner was confronted by an armed robber. He was able to use his personal handgun to shoot the robber. Clear case of self defense. But after a short time he decided to finish the job and go over and shoot the immobile suspect. The suspect was down and no longer a threat. He was convicted of Murder if I remember right.He exceeded self defense buy using his weapon after the threat was over. Again the Law provides for the use of Self Defense, but within a defined scope.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:00am PT
I don't know as well HDDJ,

Law is different from one country to another. It has nothing to do with what is right, it has only to do with what is legal based on social justice.

In the USA, Zimmerman is set free. If he was Canadian and went as far as he did with the weapon he possessed, he would be looking at a 10 year sentence.

There are no sentimental/emotional laws about this sort of thing North of the border. Enter into a fist fight and end it with a gun in Canada ? You've assumed some problems pride can't address.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:09am PT
If Zimmerman initiated the final physical confrontation, then he's liable for what happened. TM gets to stand his ground too, doing what it takes to end the threat. We just don't know who initiated the final physical confrontation, so this self-defense and fear for safety talk could apply to both and thus means nothing.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:24am PT
Self defense has nothing to do with prevailing over anything. It also has nothing to do with having your shirt torn or looking dumb in front of your girlfriend.

It is and only is about defending your self. It's not a license to kill someone as dumb as yourself, nor is it an excuse for looking stupid publicly.

You can push someone away and run. You can meet their aggression equally, only. That's self defense. If you return to where your pride was hurt, with a gun and use it, you are a fool and justifiably treated as such by the law.

Using a gun doesn't equal remedy for hurt feelings if you have escaped an altercation.



blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:32am PT

There are no sentimental/emotional laws about this sort of thing North of the border. Enter into a fist fight and end it with a gun in Canada ? You've assumed some problems pride can't address.

I'll take your word for it cuz it's sort of consistent with what I saw in Squamish when I've been there years ago--lots of redneck types looking to beat up out-of-towners, not really in a "fair fight," just get some of their buddies and jump a victim;
friend's girlfriend almost got raped on a different trip to Canada;
theft from vehicles and campsites beyond a typical American's ability to conceive, with never even the slightest interest shown in trying to apprehend the thieves (there is some of that in US, but it's more the exception than the rule);
weirdest damn ghetto I've ever seen off of Hastings St. in downtown Van.

Still I gotta admit, it's a nice place, but I don't think most Americans are too eager to trade our whacky legal system for yours. Remember that things like the Trayvon case is more of a media creation than any sort of reflection of a "typical" murder.
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