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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I don't care about the spelling Roger but what's the reference about?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Roger,
I think your basic question just above is not only quite intriguing but also rather important. As you describe, the demographics of ST seem to be kind of a 35 to 65 y.o. crowd with the younger currently hot climbers either incognito or absent from our midst. And I would add the old classic guys like Royal on out to the Steck ones at age 90, are also "lurking or absent" largely too. For the oldest guys, I do know that a bunch are lurkers though but shudder at the thought of dipping their toe in these radioactive waters.
I sense that ST is viewed by many younger non-posting hotties as messy, not cutting edge or hip, and awfully lumbering. Plus, to "make it" here on ST, you have to be able to not only form sentences, but even form paragraphs and spell halfway decently all while doing this intrepidly in one's own defense instantly as "the ants start crawling in" as Ament put it a few years ago.
Its too bad but it is also inevitable. Every generation has its "media" for certain, and does best with that chosen form. And so always there is stratification. The fact that some of the hottest younger climbers out there are inaccessible also speaks to how wildly rude the conversations can get here, how ignorant they often are, and how poor the reading comprehension usually is as well.
I love the "place" obviously but I do understand that many others would not at all. Perhaps in the published media, we all join together. Say, Rock + Ice, Alpinist, Climbing, AAJ and of course the euro and UK mags, serve as the most universal media for us all. Recalling Mountain everybody from kids to the most aged amongst us read Ken Wilson's publication and widely anticipated its every issue.
If Supertopo wanted to include or attract more participants, I think one of the first things they would have to do is update the actual site and its very appearance which has become a bit tatty actually and quite undynamic, especially to all other major sites in english-language climbing.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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From conversations, I understand that many of the younger/cutting-edge climbers at least occasionally lurk here. James is one of the few who posts. Possibly when there's an interesting or topical thread one or other sees it, and forwards the link to others.
Chris McNamara could perhaps comment, but the good to great climbing threads probably get far more visitors than most others.
Bear in mind that many of the young, strong climbers have their own blogs, and at least some sponsorship. They may want to present their stories in a more controlled environment, and of course always have to be thinking about marketing.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Peter makes a great point about the site. Some organization to content as well. For example trip reports could be organized into categories per state/area/mountain etc. Wouldn't hurt to organize the forum section into some sections.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Agree on all that Anders ^^ There are a ton of climbing blogs...jesus.
And I would add that the important climbing threads will have hundreds of people reading them to every climber that actually posts. This shows up in my Photobucket Pro account where you see the number of people who looked at images one posts. So we probably don't even really know what is going on, on this site sociologically, and are only making conclusions that could be incorrect even.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Funny, never knew who this Kim K person was until I saw her image plastered on the back of a dirty semi truck at a stop sign somewhere in the outback of SW Utah. Situation seemed more appropriate for a photo of Becky. Hey, now that Kim K is free maybe Becky can make his move?
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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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Well I have almost quit this site several times myself. I post an interesting (IMHO) report with good action shots of climbers on ElCap and I get 6 or maybe 10 responses and within an hour the post is forever lost many pages back. The situation makes me wonder if I should even bother posting anything here at all. Plus the off topic posts, for the most part, turn into nasty name calling that brings out the worst in all of us, myself included.
I scan the first 2 pages, once a day or so, for interesting climbing topics and rarely look at anything else... for a climbing site, this one is far below my expectations. According to my site counter, several thousand people have read about Tommy and what is going up there. So it is not going unnoticed. I think quite a few young climbers visit my site on a fairly regular basis... they like to read about their friends and generally what is going on on EC. So the interest is there... but I ruthlessly edit replies so that nothing but climbing or respectful responses to the climbing reported, is left on the page. The result of all that is that there are not many responses!!! The report on the Nose "Thumb" Rescue of 9/26/11 had a whopping 20 responses, but was read over 33,000 times!
So what does all the above mean...??? How the hell should I know?!!
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Gene
climber
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Mr. Evans,
The limiting factor in regard to responses on your site and trip reports here on the Taco is that any post after the third or fourth is redundant. There are only a few ways to say TFPU, Bitchen’ shots Tom, That’s my kid/husband/girlfriend on Zodiac/Nose/Trip!!!, etc. The measure of your work is not in the number of comments, but number of views and the gratitude we all feel for you giving us something ‘unique in all the world.’ Your effort is HUGELY appreciated in the climbing community in the US, Canada, Korea, and around the world. Proud work, Tom!
Cubicle Puke Gene
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Brian
climber
California
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Tommy sent pitch 12 today. "Only" three more 5.14 pitches, and a few 5.13, and he's got it. Hoping he can pull it off!
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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The most noticeable thing about tweeting is that everyone sounds soooo Kardashian
who the frack is this? I thought the Kardashians were a people on Star Trek the Next Gen??
Good luck up there.
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climbingcook
Trad climber
sf
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No doubt elcap-pics, we're reading but after half a dozen Sweet! Thanks! and Nice Pics! posts there isn't a lot more for us to add so it ends up buried by the off-topic stupidity.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Weld_it has certainly added some youthful energy to the place, if not always on topic.
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North
climber
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What Tommy is referring to when he says he did 26 rounds of 5 pullups, 10 pushups, and 15 air squats is a CrossFit workout called "Cindy". 26 rounds is getting on it. My best is 23 rounds. Give it a try. Get some Tommy and Kevin.
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Tahoe climber
climber
Davis these days
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Pitch 12 and 13 DONE
Nice work Tommy!
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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From Tommy's Twitter ...
Ah yeah!!!! Finally sent pitch 12. Thank god. 13 felt good too. Really sad to see Becca go down. But 10 days was a pretty amazing stretch. Really happy to have Kelly Cordess holding the rope and providing an endless stream of ridiculous comments.
Way to go!
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Brian
climber
California
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Tahoe Climber: Don't think 13 went down (yet, that is).
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Perhaps in the published media, we all join together. Say, Rock + Ice, Alpinist, Climbing, AAJ and of course the euro and UK mags, serve as the most universal media for us all
dude, yr showing yr age. no one reads.
its all video all the time. tweets for on the road. but that'll go away soon, too.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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ST is an elephants graveyard for old been there done that cripples and never-were's. The kids think you guys are old fogies and fools that only sorta pulled hard, like ghey ass 5.12 sh#t back in the 70's and 80's. Now a n00b will pull that hard at his 7th birthday party in the gym. Yer sh#t is played out except for the ever attentive eyes and ears of geriatric choir.
Why in the name of Satan would a young guy want to listen to a wad of geezers mumbling over a bunch of stuff that is not relevant to them, unless it is talk of wide cracks?
Such a good post. And for so many reasons.
I think the drive-by strategy is paying off.
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 7, 2011 - 10:23pm PT
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Kinda hurts, but Russ is dead on.
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m_jones
Trad climber
Carson City, NV
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Hmmm... this old has been geezer sees this climb as a game changer. So cool to see someone put it all (reputation,skill) on the line to pull something of this magnitude off. Truly amazing stuff.
I am very jealous. It seems TC truly sees this time as one of the best of times and is totally enjoying the entire process. Not many have the wherewithal appreciate the moment when they are in the middle of it. Anywhere, in any sport. I am in awe of this project and all that must have gone into it.
I really look forward to the small bits of information every day and am cheering!
I hope KJ gets on it next year must be really tough to sit on the sidelines. He has put so much into it and I hope he will have his time too.
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