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harryhotdog

Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
Sep 20, 2013 - 01:17am PT
You could be right Lurky it's been a while since I was last up there although (yellow cedar) is usually at higher elevations. They have also been reclassified to the Cupressaceae family so it's now Cupressus nookatensis. This reclassification comes with the same controversy we see on this thread daily, surprise, surprise. People are people so why should it be..............
I will look more closely next time I'm lurking up there.
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Sep 20, 2013 - 07:37am PT
I made comment on how much the cedar at the base of the Pillar had grown in my time and offered oblique and uninformed speculation as to whether it might eventually assist the Pillar in it's ultimate arrival at the base of the Grand.
I didn't suggest or advocate the tree's (or The Pillar's) removal.
Then we receive an all to familiar pedantic polemic (complete with biased aspersions against forestry workers with a weakness for rock climbing) and are reminded that although every other piece of vegetation on the Chief is open game in the name of benevolently making more moderate rock available to the masses, the cedar at the base of the Pillar is both valiant and nigh sacrosanct.
Reminds me of the Golden Spruce and it's demise at the hands of a man driven mad by mass hypocrisy.

Perry the Logger
TheSoloClimber

Trad climber
Vancouver
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:04am PT
Haha Perry, I don't think any of us are even remotely considering actually chopping the tree. I only brought it up for the troll's amusement. It appears that I have succeeded.
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:21am PT
I don't think it will be merch for another 20 years or so anyways
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:28am PT
The Golden Spruce! Perry - did you know that guy?
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Sep 20, 2013 - 10:06am PT
BK,
No, I didn't know Grant Hadwin but learned that he was based out of The Goldbridge area.
He was apparently a man of prodigious strength and capacity and a genius at laying out roadways to inaccessible timber.
He swam icy rivers, drank hard liquor straight by the forty pounder and would routinely pass out in ditches in the worst of weather.
He lost his faith in the forestry system and some would say he lost his mind as well.
The veneration of a single mutant spruce in the desolation of the former splendor of the Juskatla Spruce Flats on Haida Gwaii became the focal point for his frustration.
While I don't agree that he should have killed The Golden Spruce, I totally understand and agree with his premise.
Grant Hadwin was a tragic product of his time and his epic undertaking will resonate with those who care to examine his story.

Meanwhile, back at The Stand..........
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 20, 2013 - 10:08am PT
when I read that book you know who it reminded me of?

Berntsen!

Not all of it, just his wild logger adventurer streak
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Sep 20, 2013 - 10:15am PT
Berntsen, Robinson, Howe, Shemko and a host of Renaissance Rednecks who have defied the ill informed stereotyping of people who made their living logging.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 20, 2013 - 10:42am PT
.... the man with one eye brow...

still, in terms of purely cut loose adventure huckle berry fin style, did you not note some Berntsen in the description of Grant Hadwin?
MH2

climber
Sep 20, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
when I read that book

Have you also read The Tiger, also by John Vaillant?

There is a curious connection between the two having to do with with logging economies. I saw John Vaillant introduce the movie Conflict Tiger in Vancouver. I have a hard time seeing him as the voice for any kind of redneck but that may be small-minded of me. I have not read The Golden Spruce but was fascinated by the story.

Thank goodness that climbers are either mostly sane or crazy the same way I am.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Sep 20, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
This is good stuff. The man you speak of Perry, sounds interesting & worth looking into.

Did the last day of summer pass Bruce? I manged to get the hell out there just in time perhaps, mwaaahaha.


gf was crackin me up back there.







gf

climber

Sep 19, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Oh for god sakes, I've met 20 year olds that act older than 80+ dudes the only thing to fear is having to spend time with someone who's not curious.






Edit- Big Mike, what day u getting to the walley?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
We'll be in yellow pines by tuesday afternoon. I hear you're coming up wednesday? You wanna hit Cookie Cliff or something?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Sep 21, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
Time for more pictures. These are from a few years ago on a day in the Valley of Shaddai.

Just Blessed
Just Blessed
Credit: Ghost

Avalon, p 3. A really good pitch.
Avalon, p 3. A really good pitch.
Credit: Ghost

Late in the day, looking down the Valley of Shaddai.
Late in the day, looking down the Valley of Shaddai.
Credit: Ghost
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 22, 2013 - 10:06am PT
I wonder how the war against moss is going up in Shaddai? Some good route up there but I recall it being a bit dank.

Here's some more Squam stoke:

An absolutely huge return of Pinks this year. They are even reported s...
An absolutely huge return of Pinks this year. They are even reported spawning in Britannia creek, the first report of significant life there in decades! Very good news
Credit: Bruce Kay

Squamish Icon Flex Luthor. Note lack of bald patch and paunch.  Someth...
Squamish Icon Flex Luthor. Note lack of bald patch and paunch. Something wrong there....
Credit: Bruce Kay

Flex and Yola have been retro scubbing and renovating some Gobsmacking old classics, Hungry Wolf and Never Say Never. Both are blockbuster sand bags at 5.11b at least as classic as Perspective and about twice as hard. Knowing Dean and Randy, Hungry Wolf likely got its name from these guys:

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Sep 22, 2013 - 10:14am PT
Note lack of bald patch and paunch. Something wrong there....

I think he did a deal with some dark power. No other way to explain it.

If you run into him and/or Jola, say hi for me.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 22, 2013 - 10:18am PT
cross roads...

he does have a slightly demonic gleam in his eye, and a fondness for guns...
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2013 - 11:09am PT
Nice pics guys! Thanks!! Cool to put a face to Mr Sanford!

We're on the road at the moment, headed to Seattle. We fly out to Yosemite Tuesday morning. Yeehaw!!
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Sep 22, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Mike -- if you need a place to stay, or a meal, or a beer, while you're in Seattle, let me know
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Thanks Dave! What's the best park and fly for seatac?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Sep 22, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
What's the best park and fly for seatac?

I've always been happy with Park'n'Jet. Bunch of Indian guys running what looks like a total lo-rent operation, but they've always been good to us. Shuttle service in the middle of the night with only a very short wait, for example. And one time I left an interior light on in the car so the battery was dead when I got back a week later. No problem -- they gave me a boost and wouldn't take any money for it. I think they recently opened a second lot, but I've always used the old one (18220 8th Ave South (just off Des Moines Memorial Dr) at the southeast corner of the airport.

Their website is http://www.parknjetseatac.com/ and you probably need to reserve.
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