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Catburglar

Trad climber
Vancouver
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:48am PT
MH2. I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but if I were to climb the Freerider and claim a free ascent of the Salathe I'd be be wandering into Maestri-Cesen land, the freerider totally avoids the the 5.13 headwall of the the Free Salathe.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
Catburglar you might wanna cough up your real identity before calling out HM.


And Harry, I hear ya about the Iranians but the Burrard Nation might have something to say about Lonsdale Ave as well.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
^ ^ ^ ^

Is there an app for that ?
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Renaming freed aid routes has a long history, not just in Yos but in the "crucible of free climbing" namely Britan

You think Hubble and Mecca take their names from the boring old bolt ladders that climbed thru the overhangs at Ravens Tor?

Doubt it.

When Chris Craggs put up "Free This You Sport Climbing Bastards" and it got freed, the new name "The Bastard" made much more sense.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Who is cat burglar? There's a route at Castle Rock of that name.

Troll-in-training Bruce needs to work on his shtick. Apart from him, we seem largely in agreement that route renaming at Squamish should be discouraged, and when done should have respect, clarity and consensus.

Looking at it another way, there's lots of unclimbed rock at Squamish. Those wanting a personal monument are free to clean it up, climb it, and give it a name - without disrespecting others, and the history. Most such routes may quickly fall into oblivion, given the bell curve. Another issue.

As a sociologist friend puts it, much climber behaviour can be simply explained in terms of adolescent males. Or, as Perry puts it, peeing on the corner posts.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Sep 5, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
Everything should have proper descriptions like - The north north west corner of the west spur of the west face of the east buttress.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Sep 5, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
Troll-in-training Bruce needs to work on his shtick. Apart from him, we seem largely in agreement that route renaming at Squamish should be discouraged,

Speak for yourself Anders, not for everybody else. Only half a dozen or so people have commented here, and about half of them seem to believe that route-renaming is sometimes fine. So where do you get the idea that "we seem largely in agreement"? Who is this "we"? (Maybe the Royal We????)

My guess is that most folks would agree that route-renaming should be done with consideration for community consensus. That in general it's not a good idea, but sometimes is fine. But that's just my guess, not my statement about what "we" think.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Sep 5, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
which Sonnie Trotter will promptly send, then rename it Smell of Grumpy Old Men Clinging to the Past in a unguarded and probably drunken moment at a psyche ledge party.... then change his mind upon pressure from community consensus.... or maybe not?


Anders, is this in reference to a specific event??






Cat burglar, welcome to ST.
Despite your position on renaming routes(which is just fine) please be aware that Hamie is kinda the man around here & deserves no disrespect for his opinion. Particularly since more than a few of his routes have been either partially or completely reno'd or renamed over the years. Telling him that he's on an ego trip as your first ever post as an anonymous user here makes you appear to be a TIT (troll in training). I hope in the future you will contribute but please leave the comments that will lead to heated exchanges to BK & MH as they are way more entertaining.




Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Sep 5, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
Typical lawyerly truth-bending .

Renaming a freed route is fine.

Zombie Roof, not Rat Burger

There, I said it.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Sep 5, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
Thank you for nibbling at my ever so lame attempt at trolling - it is most kind of you to have done so, and will surely reinforce my self-esteem. "Every troll gets at least one bite" seems to be the motto.

These vexing matters should be referred to the Bughouse Heights/Hospital Hill/South Ridge/Little Smoke Bluffs/Smokey Bluffs/Smoke Bluffs Morals & Ethics Committee, for an utterly indecisive result.

(Skunk Hollow, being more or less what is now Valleycliffe, omitted.)

We have now returned and climbed the climb formerly known as Slab Alley ("TCFKASA"), including the new indirect stepladder start, and while doing so removed several specks of lichen and some of Bruce's chicken bolts. It was a laborious, tortuous and frightening ascent, and really, our experience was completely different from anyone else's. As a result, a new name seemed apropos. We thought about renaming the route "Monument to Climbers with Big Egos and Wee Willies", but decided instead to call it Slab Alley. Has a nice ring, doesn't it?
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Sep 5, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
There's no p in Tamster. I just used the loo.


:-0




Nice note Ryan. Thx.

It's ME who started this latest discussion and despite being called toiletface by David - which I frankly expected - I did ask for no name callin'. I'll add to that "just be nice" and that means you ..... cat burglar.


Special K. Ha.
MH2

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
Good on Catburglar for entertaining the notion that I might be joking. However, notice that Free Salathe is not, in the beautifully accommodating English language, the same as Salathe free.

If it were up to me, I would just say that I had climbed X route and then let the beneficiary of that news wonder if I had soloed, freed, hang-dogged, or aided the original or any variation. If the listener knew me they would know what was up and if they didn't know me they are free to think what they want. Or they could ask a question or 2. The only blasphemy is to claim a better effort than you gave. Why we care I am not sure but we do. Joking is fine by me, but only works on people who can guess the truth.

edit: maybe catburglar is catbirdseat from cc.com
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
catbirdseat aka catturdeat couldn't troll even if you spotted him a bridge and three goats
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Bruce!!


I can't stop laughing!



WTF can i get one of them?!?!?


harryhotdog

Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
Holly cow this has got the posts going!

I think a new name might be warranted If somebody spends the enormous amount of time, effort and money cleaning a mostly new route that includes parts of an overgrown and forgotten line. If it's just freeing some section on a well travelled mostly free route then I think the original name should stand.

Tami, you have a point there.

hamie

Social climber
Thekoots
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
Well, lots to read tonight. My head is hurting.

Catburglar, welcome to the Taco, if you really are new. It's always fascinating to read another pov. I am particularly grateful for your info that the Salathe has now become "the trade route" on EC. I am so far stuck in the past that I still thought it was The Nose. Also thanks for all the info on the various combinations, variations and permutations which you listed. I had no idea. It all makes a fellow, esp an old one, quite dizzy.

You are quite correct that I have a big ego. I have always enjoyed the challenge and excitement of putting up new routes, and still get some satisfaction from seeing my name and the occasional photo in guidebooks, updates and the occasional maggie. Incidentally, I finished a new route yesterday, #53 since I bought a drill 7 years ago. I counted them today, just for you. How's that for ego and bragging? [One advantage of finishing a new route is that I always treat myself to a bottle of wine.]

One question for you. Are you as sneaky as your name implies?

Sorry Tami, I tried to be nice, but I'm still working at it. Note to self: "Think nice".

Cheers to Tami, Ryan and MH.
MH2

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
"If there is any doubt about..."

I wish I had my doubt back. At least about how they clean stuff. And maybe about the Squaw in general. I find doubt to be health-preserving.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
If somebody spends the enormous amount of time, effort and money cleaning a mostly new route that includes parts of an overgrown and forgotten line.


.....they should be called retarded .


:-)



Damn. Broke my own rule about name-calling.


Sorry to all you who've excavated ancient passageways.


I take back the "retard" and suggest a career change to proctology.

:-)

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
You are quite correct that I have a big ego.

Which makes you not so different from most of the rest of the first ascentionists in the world. I'm sure there are exceptions, but most people who put up new routes, me included, do have a "big ego." I've never understood why people consider that attribute as a negative. Absent big ego, there'd be a whole lot less climbs in the world. Or less anything that requires creativity, imagination, and the drive to take risks.

I'm sure there are some ego-less folk out there who climb new routes for no other reason than to become one with the fuzzy endlessness of the universe or something, but most of the new-routers I know are strong-willed big-ego types.

But you know what? Most of them are also really nice people.
Tricouni

Mountain climber
Vancouver
Sep 6, 2013 - 01:33am PT
But you know what? Most of them are also really nice people.
Everyone on this thread is really nice. This thread has been a revelation to me: totally accepting of differing views, climibng abilities, ages, POVs, and so on. Yes, it can get heated, but not nasty. Let's keep it that way, in the spirit the climbing community in general and one of the genuine nice guys, Big Mike (I'm honoured to know you, Mike), who started this thread way back when.

I'm taking an extended leave of absence from this thread. Have fun at the Psyche Ledge party - sorry to miss it - and I'll check in here towards the end of October. In the mean time, keep the discussion going, keep it kind, and keep climbing.

Glenn
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