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Prezwoodz

climber

Anchorage

Feb 20, 2011 - 11:01pm PT

Good idea jstan! Yay new avatar.

johnkelley

climber

Anchorage Alaska

Feb 20, 2011 - 11:15pm PT

I've never been involved in ANY physical or legal disputes with anyone. Where do you come up with this sh#t? If you would like a physical dispute I'm game. Let me know?

Prezwoodz

climber

Anchorage

Feb 20, 2011 - 11:44pm PT

I think this has run its course. I'm going to go climb something you can continue to hit the refresh button and wait for something else to stew in.

johnkelley

climber

Anchorage Alaska

Feb 20, 2011 - 11:49pm PT

Coldclimb- John borland - AKA the slackline bolter. For years you kids bitched that I chopped your bolts until one day ya'll finally figured out it was soeone else. I've chopped eight bolts in the last decade. All were retrobolts! This # is sure to increase. When you tards stop retrobolting I'll stop chopping. What's happening is some kids want to be know as climbers but they aren't willing to do any climbing worth mentioning. Too much work so instead they add bolts to climbs. They claim it's some kind of community service. That's pretty weak.

coldclimb

climber

Wasilla, Alaska

Feb 20, 2011 - 11:57pm PT

Yep, I'm the only coldclimb out there, except the one on boldering.com mocking me. :D

coldclimb

climber

Wasilla, Alaska

Feb 21, 2011 - 12:00am PT

You were the one who informed me those bolts were chopped, and you told me yourself that it was someone else. :D

johnkelley

climber

Anchorage Alaska

Feb 21, 2011 - 04:26am PT

read about them in the AAJ if you want

mucci

Trad climber

The pitch of Bagalaar above you

Feb 21, 2011 - 04:52am PT

John- I thought Johnson was spraying, I was confused.

I pulled my post b/c it was not relevant to the spray, and I was pimp slapping the wrong spraylord.

Still, both of you are spraylords.

AAJ....PFFfffft!

johnkelley

climber

Anchorage Alaska

Feb 21, 2011 - 11:11pm PT

Walked up to Pivot Point today just to have a look. Center Fire now has 3 retrobolts on it. All for Naught and Naught for All have one retrobolt each. On the Upper Pivot Point the Butt Crack has 2 retrobolts and the unnamed 5.8 to the right has had two retrobolts added.

These have all been added this fall/winter.

Kelsey - Have you been bolting here too? If it's not you then who?

squishy

Mountain climber

sacramento

Feb 21, 2011 - 11:59pm PT

johnkelley

climber

Anchorage Alaska

Feb 22, 2011 - 12:15am PT

JIMB - I'm posting this here because the people supplying him with bolts post here. In the same thread even. I understand it takes a little thought to figure that out but now you know.

coldclimb

climber

Wasilla, Alaska

Feb 22, 2011 - 01:35am PT

Were they ASCA hangers?

I think we can all guess the answer. ;)

johnkelley

climber

Anchorage Alaska

Feb 22, 2011 - 02:24am PT

The ASCA is supplying a know retrobolter with hardware. He uses his stuff for retrobolts and theirs for replacements. What's the difference?

coldclimb

climber

Wasilla, Alaska

Feb 22, 2011 - 02:41am PT

That statement is simply entirely untrue.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Feb 22, 2011 - 02:58am PT

That statement is simply entirely untrue.

Funny, it sounds exactly like what's happening. I'd say the only real questions left are whether the ASCA will keep supplying him now that they do know prezwoods has been retrobolting, whether prezwoods will stop retrobolting, and whether John will get busy chopping.

Prezwoods: No ASCA bolts have been used for anything but replacing older bolts. I want to make very sure that you understand that.

That clearly isn't the issue, if all you were doing was rebolting this thread wouldn't exist, but you're retrobolting and it doesn't matter who you talk to when they're long established routes, it's going to piss folks off. It's simple, stick with rebolting and you'll have zero problems with this issue.

johnkelley

climber

Anchorage Alaska

Feb 22, 2011 - 03:04am PT

That's exactly whats happening. Sooner or later I'll get them all chopped.

Prezwoodz

climber

Anchorage

Feb 22, 2011 - 03:45am PT

Guess I'll have to revisit this although I hoped to let it die.

Healyje - This thread exists because John has a problem with me, he has for a long time. I am not sure what that problem even is anymore. The bolts added to Hocus Pocus and Splat Button were added on June 18th. I had not added any bolts to a pre-existing climb before and certainly not since. Nor will I add anymore to a pre-existing climb without the explicit permission of the FA party. This decision came about way before this argument here. I didn't receive any bolts from the ASCA until I think October, or at least September at the earliest. Greg should have record of that. I have proof that those bolts were added in June.

As for Pivot Point John I cannot defend those bolts because I have already stated I did not put those up. I was surprised to see them myself and they were already there earlier last summer with the exception of Butt Crack. I had no idea that was bolted. As this thread should show I have no problem speaking for what I have done and admitting to the routes that I have bolted or rebolted. I am not the only one with a drill or bolts. Although I do feel like maybe they are the more intelligent ones for doing it quietly and not admitting to who they are!

I am continuing this argument because I want to set the record straight. I will answer anything you come up with frankly and honestly. I will not engage you in a flamefest any longer.

I have sticked entirely with rebolting only, this includes both ASCA bolts and my own which I have used when I ran out of the ones sent to me. I would love to put up a few routes this summer but they will be entirely new and not pre-existing lines.

Squishy, you have the best post in this whole thread!