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dipper
climber
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Feb 22, 2011 - 04:34am PT
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I seem to be pretty good at killing threads around here.
This thread is well past done.
See if you two can't find something meaningful to occupy your time with.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Feb 22, 2011 - 04:37am PT
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Thank you dipper.
Life is so much more important than accusations and explanations.
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wildone
climber
Troy, MT
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Feb 22, 2011 - 04:44am PT
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John Kelley Is a classic Jim Beyer type. You can see it from a mile away.
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Feb 22, 2011 - 05:48am PT
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The etc. includes things like your book. Full of misinformation. It's not cool how you try to pass retrobolts as origionals, rename climbs, stuff like that. Not all stone needs to be ADA compliant.
Beyer and I aren't really the same. We had more in common when I lived in Durango and climbed together quite often. We did do a new line last summer in the St. Elias Range though.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 22, 2011 - 05:59am PT
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Joseph, I'm curious because you typically seem like a pretty smart guy: What are you basing your accusations on?
I'm not making any accusations. Prezwoodz said he retrobolted, john said he had a hard time with that. I'm merely pointing out that if prezwoodz' activities were confined to rebolting there wouldn't be an issue of any kind and certainly not one Greg and the ASCA would get dragged into.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Feb 22, 2011 - 06:22am PT
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A complete history of every single climb is not my intent. I listed bolt amounts, not when they were installed or who installed them. You are more then welcome to start a history of each climb and who bolted it first as well as when it was retrobolted. I would love to read such a detailed history but I for one will not be writing it.
I see healyje. I think the issue here is when you say that I "am retrobolting" which is not true. I did once, and I mean once. Saying that I am retrobolting indicates it is something I have done recently or will continue to do when neither is the truth. I have already had this whole argument / conversation about these two climbs with many locals and I thought it was a settled subject. ---- I find the person who put up the FA. I tell them what I did regardless of their support or frustrations with me. If they are against the bolts I will gladly cut and patch them myself. If I cannot find the FA party I will cut and patch them as well due to a lack of permission. ---- I understand what you are saying but I feel that John Kelleys attempts at slander here really have nothing to do with these 5 bolts. I believe this conversation would be happening regardless of those 5 as is evidence by the accusations that are being made which are vastly incorrect. I find the rebolting project that I have undertaken something of much greater importance to me.
I find it hard to believe that all this frustration is about the right side of this.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 22, 2011 - 06:26am PT
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Prezwoods, I did say that in past-tense as in 'retrobolted' and did not say you were currently.
I've rebolted 68 fixed rap/belay anchors and know what goes into the effort and I'd guess that
is appreciated by all concerned. If you say that's the end of your retrobolting then
I'd agree it would seem to be a moot point now.
I know it might seem odd, but people do get attached to rocks of all quality.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Feb 22, 2011 - 06:29am PT
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I do definitely say that the was the last and only time I will ever be retrobolting.
I know what you mean about the attachment. I actually like the Seward Highway climbing.
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Feb 22, 2011 - 07:06am PT
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I already told you why I don't like you. It's your complete lack of ethics and total disrespect for the stone.
The ASCA has made a major mistake giving you anything. You kinda made them look the fool.
Your empty promise to fix it yourself never happened. You had time to correct your mistake, over eight months, but choose not to.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 22, 2011 - 07:09am PT
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It would seem there is more going on here than the rebolting/retrobolting activity and given my comments
revolved solely around that issue I guess I'll bow out at this point as that aspect of the dispute would seem
settled from what I can tell.
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Feb 22, 2011 - 07:12am PT
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Why don't you post a picture of the side you grid bolted?
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Feb 22, 2011 - 07:20am PT
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Don't have a picture of that side John on this computer. Have you got one? I'd post if I had at. Pulled that one from Rockclimbing.com. Grid bolted is a bit of a stretch.
I think someone here is trying to make them look the fool but arguing over such things as we have done in this thread only makes us both look like fools.
No it had not been done yet, I'll admit I was still hoping to find the FA Party. Wishful thinking I suppose. I just asked someone a few days ago who gave me some information on those routes. Still searching, and I will continue to do so because now Its like a good mystery.
healyje I appreciate your comments and your level headed replies.
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Feb 26, 2011 - 12:06am PT
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Kelsey - Why are you posting a pic of bigdamnjohnson on your cheese dick forum asking who he is? It's obvious he's someone who isn't into your bolting everything or your book. Part of the majority.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Feb 26, 2011 - 04:02am PT
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Curiosity?
Why are you spending your time on a forum you obviously hate? Didn't this thread die already?
Enough is enough.
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Feb 26, 2011 - 06:05am PT
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You revived it with your manhunt. This thread will die when you stop bolting everything.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Feb 26, 2011 - 02:04pm PT
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Your iright I don't want to know who that is anymore, it doesn't matter. A
I am not adding new bolts. I've said it plenty.
Stop spreading these lies around the community.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 26, 2011 - 03:57pm PT
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Walked up to Pivot Point today just to have a look. Center Fire now has 3 retrobolts on it. All for Naught and Naught for All have one retrobolt each. On the Upper Pivot Point the Butt Crack has 2 retrobolts and the unnamed 5.8 to the right has had two retrobolts added.
These have all been added this fall/winter.
Kelsey - Have you been bolting here too? If it's not you then who? -- johnkelley
Dude, what a wanker. You're accusing somebody of adding bolts when you obviously don't know yourself who did the deed. What's worse, you're demanding that Kelsey tell you who added the bolts, essentially accusing him of being an accomplice if he himself did not do it.
In this thread, Prezwoodz has been upfront, reasonable, an responsive. You, johnkelley, have been nothing but accusatory and hot-headed.
Now, go to the bank, take out all your money, and buy a clue.
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Feb 26, 2011 - 11:43pm PT
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Lies? All of those bolts have been added by someone. Hopefully they will stop.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Feb 27, 2011 - 01:55am PT
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You'll have to take that up with them.
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wildone
climber
Troy, MT
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Feb 27, 2011 - 02:01am PT
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JK is a f*#king goon.
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