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Highlife
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2010 - 12:18pm PT
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Seamstress,
Yeah, I honestly did not expect this kind of response (i figured a couple people might post something)! I havent been to whitney in MANY years (like, 10 or 15) and was just kinda looking for what to expect. I defenitly got my answer.
But at this point, im guesing the forest service has a shoot on sight warrant out for me cause of this thread.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 20, 2010 - 01:14pm PT
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brick, you got me laffin out loud, but that happens at least once a day on ST and not necessarily dealing with rick.
i love this second childhood we all lay into here, just like recess back in elementary school.
when our two kids were small we tried to keep the peace between them. it got to the point where the winner of an argument would sit there, gloating silently, which invariably set the loser off again. so we tried to impose a "no gloating" rule.
nice try, mom and dad. the new argument became whether the winner was goating or not.
"s/he's gloating!"
"am not! am not!"
honest, rick, i'm not gloating. and if you'll believe that, i got more dares for ya ...
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 20, 2010 - 02:08pm PT
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fats, been meaning to talk with you.
please don't ask your republican insiders, if they ever get their sorry asses into congress, to do anything about williamson rock. i doubt they could anyway. it'd probably be about as effective as rick waiting politely in the donut shop vestibule for mister ivey to develop an expansive mood.
i love the mountain yellow-legged frog, fats. if they'd let me down in the gorge these days i'd find one and hug it, never mind the sticky. more jollies than hugging the general sherman. but it's the game, as#@&%e, and how you play it. i don't want to win a fight someone is paid to throw, i don't want to win a football game rigged by bookies. if the fight can't be fair, i'll lose. at least i won't be the loser you are.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 20, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
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aw, fattrad, i was expecting spew. you're way nicer than rick. i can't believe you're a republican.
lookee here, the issue isn't to open or to close, the issue is the reasoning behind it. we're given nothing but voodoo talk.
if it's essential that this crag be closed to help save an endangered species, i and every climber i know, with the exception of a certain deviant who has proposed a frogleg feed, will support it forever. if this turns out to be spew from the forest service, it needs to be picked apart.
is the proximity of climbers really going to endanger a few frogs upstream? is the frog itself that endangered? how many frogs are left? their range extends through the sierra nevada into oregon, that much i've determined. how does this compare with similar amphibian endangerments and extinctions throughout the world? there's a UC prof, quoted in national geographic, who seems to be a real expert in this area. let's get some expert opinion. if any of this was ever done, climbers were NEVER clued in on it.
these issues are important and they should be settled because they'll come to bear on similar situations for climbers all over.
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Slice
Boulder climber
Valley
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Aug 23, 2010 - 12:01pm PT
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I think the funniest thing is The Chief got outed as The Slice! Or Slice, SIR! His tepid denial aside, pretty clear if you look the Slice-Buddy's only 10 posts - they all come to the defense of The Chieftress. Ha Ha HAHA Lovin it I am not The Chief, far from it. I lurk on this and other climbing sites for route and technical information to gain knowledge about the sport. I will not divulge my real name for privacy and personal reasons. I do not deem it necessary to to prove a damn thing to anyone of you as far as that goes either. But, I will divulge my relationship with The Chief. I initially met the The Chief this past April in the Alabama Hills while he and Jamie were fixing the anchors there. My son actually met him first on another website and asked for his assistance in climbing matter. We agreed on a time and date and then went on a father & son weekend climbing outing to the Alabama Hills and met up with Jamie and The Chief. Unlike some of the totally negative and so very rude people that have posted on this thread, he and Jamie are actually doing something about this very important issue and far more than most of you in my opinion. He is out there and making a difference to keep things open for future generations, my son included, and trying his hardest to keep the local Eastern Sierra land owners off your backs. For that I highly respect both him and Jamie and anyone else out there that is doing the same selfless thing.
Since our first meeting, my son and I have spent several weekends with The Chief preparing for a life long dream of my son's, to attempt to climb the East Buttress of Mt. Whitney. The Chief was kind enough to offer his services, completely free of charge, to get us both ready for and then guide us up the route. He and my son completed the climb three weeks ago. I did not acclimate accordingly, wasn't strong enough to continue on thus I remained at Iceberg Lake to watch them complete my sons dream. It was thus far the highlight of my sons life and for that I acknowledge a public and hearty thanks to The Chief.
So yes, I deem it my place to defend The Chief (very rudely in some instances) the few posts that I have contributed here on Super Topo. He is an honorable, very approachable, friendly and highly respectable man in reality. He walks the talk regularly with a dedication the likes that only a career military man can. But please, by all means, continue thinking what you want. This of course is the internet and we can all choose to think and believe anything and all that we want. This will be my last posting visit here on this forum. I now clearly understand why the local crags here in the San Diego area are getting trashed out and exactly what The Chief terms the "entitled brigade". So does my son.
Thank you for your time.
Edit: The avatar comes from my hard working father who was a career union butcher for well over 40 years back in the midwest.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Aug 23, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
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I better stay outta' this one.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 23, 2010 - 02:51pm PT
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 23, 2010 - 03:20pm PT
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Stopping for 15 minutes to pick up a permit is a small price to pay to visit such an awesome area. If you want to do a route in a day and dont have time to pick one up, drive a few minutes north and check out the palisades or temple crag. have you done all those routes already? Bagged all the lord of the rings peaks by middle pal? All the clyde routes? Probably not.
Part of being a climber is being able to make sacrifices. Getting off of a 10 hour workday and driving straight through the night to be first light, and driving back with 2 hours before the next shift, thats what climbers do. Planning a weekend six months in advance and taking 3 days to get to IBL because you won't train during the week is not the answer.
This season I am 4/4 on getting permits, about to be 5/5 wednesday morning.
Just remember, you can climb these peaks ANY DAY you want, in rain, snow, hail, any month, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is pick up a permit and sh!t in a bag. Is it really that terrible...
Of course, they could implement Himalaya style permits, and charge 100 bucks for a 14'er/50 bucks for a 13'er...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 23, 2010 - 01:28am PT
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Sweet I'm glad my post killed this thread :(
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