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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2005 - 09:58am PT
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I guess you didn't get it Raj.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2005 - 10:55am PT
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Raj, that's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Have you ever been paid for sex? Nov 17, 2005
TO: Where Will He Mouth Off Next? Nov 17 2005
Light Beer or Dark Beer: An Endless Battle - Nov 16 2005
The Physiology of LEB - Nov 20 2005
What Are You? China, Clay, Paper, or Sh-t? Nov 23 2005
Just some examples.
But to answer your question, I know the BBC article isn't news as such, but it is interesting.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 24, 2005 - 12:00pm PT
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Raj said
"LEB,
I could care less about your plate system. It was just an example of how trolls are often created by categorization. In fact, the plate system probably causes problems with your attitude towards others (just a guess, I could be wrong)."
So you're saying that you care enough about the plate system that you might possibly care less about it under different circumstances?
I'm not sure how much I care about this plate issue myself. I'll go climbing and give it some thought. (But not too much, I could think less about this problem.)
Peace
karl
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2005 - 12:21pm PT
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Raj, relax, this thread was meant to be a joke. What, did you just flunk an exam at MIT or something? Bad hair day? Chill out dude.
And in the thread title I had the past tense of 'was' but changed it to 'is' for obvious reasons of the joke. Anyway, if you want to be a pedant, go ahead.
And if you think this thread is useless, why respond to it? why even read it? Geek comes to mind.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2005 - 12:57pm PT
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Raj, that's cool
However, a quick google led me to a couple of sites on von Braun, but I'll paste the link to the wikipedia article on him, though I don't always trust what I read on wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_Von_Braun
It states that he was in the SS.
I don't know much about the guy, perhaps you know more since he was a physicist and you are studying in a science field (I think, aren't you). But I notice that both the links you put on this thread were from a NASA website.
From the Beeb article: "All of these men were cleared to work for the US, their alleged crimes covered up and their backgrounds bleached by a military which saw winning the Cold War, and not upholding justice, as its first priority."
So don't you think that perhaps, just perhaps, that NASA has covered up his background or altered certain 'facts'?
Anyway, let's not waste anymore time on what was to be a joke and a play on words for ST's Werner.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Nov 24, 2005 - 01:00pm PT
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"They used real cannons? In a crowded Concert hall? Who said classical music is boring?" Calvin.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Nov 24, 2005 - 03:07pm PT
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Just one more piece of evidence to confirm my pet theory that the US cut a deal with the Nazis at the end of WWII that involved going light on them in exchange for advanced technology, maybe even for gas diffusion extraction of fissile material to beef up the limited supply of enriched Uranium for the Manhattan Project. Dream on!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Nov 24, 2005 - 03:11pm PT
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welcome to 1949, fellas.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2005 - 05:57pm PT
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Raj, this is from the wikipedia article.
After the war, von Braun claimed he was asked to join the party and pressured to join the SS. In May 1940 he was personally awarded an honorary SS rank by Himmler only after conferring with colleagues who agreed that to turn it down would infuriate Himmler and incur his wrath. He began as an Untersturmführer (Second Lieutenant) and was promoted three times by Himmler, the last time in June 1943 to SS-Sturmbannführer (SS Major).
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Nov 24, 2005 - 09:15pm PT
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"He only developed a technology that was created for the Nazi power. He did not know that his rockets were going to be used against a civilian population. Even if he did, he had absolutely no choice whether or not to create the rockets unless he wanted to be killed or kill himself."
What a load of crap. Hey RamJet go back to working on your fembot.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Nov 24, 2005 - 09:58pm PT
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I thought Werner was working on the A9 multi-stage New York rocket, too? I think there were even some launch tests in early '45. He must have realized that the technology he was developing was going to be used to drop a "dirty" bomb on the Big Apple. This wasn't just an exercise in aerodynamic theory for him was it? He must have really wanted Germany to win the war, but, realizing that he didn't want to be captured by the Ivans, saw that it was in his own best interest to go over to the Americans. Faced with those kinds of choices, can't say I blame him too much.
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Nov 24, 2005 - 10:01pm PT
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I just got back from Yos and I saw Werner there. Werner Braun lives in Yosemite. He's an electronics wizard. He works for the NPS, but he's never been an officer, and he never knowingly or unwittingly has taken part in their misdeeds, actually he has saved countless lives.
Wehrner Von Braun on the other hand was a scientist in Hitler's Germany. I don't know his mind, but his actions make him seem like the stereotypical scientist without a conscience; an opportunistic pragmatist.
You should fall on your light saber before you help Vader build a DeathStar; even if you are curious to see if you could really make it work.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Nov 24, 2005 - 10:03pm PT
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Drifting back to the music hijack,the problem with the break up of the soviet Union (maybe the Only, problem)is that they stopped using the old soviet anthem when russians and other ex-soviets win gold medals at the olympics. That may be my Favorite peice of orchestral music ever. Possibly above 1812 (especially if they hold the cannons, ugh! condolences LEB)
Another thing, there are two CD's out there called "Classical Music for Metalheads." I've never liked heavy metal, but these compelations have the kind of Classical Music I like best. It's all Beethoven, Wagner, Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Rimsky Korsikoff, etc. Has a photo of a stout, singing Valkerie on the cover, Jaybro says, check it out!
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Nov 24, 2005 - 10:53pm PT
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Klaus? Chris is banging Mineral's truck AND a 16 y.o.?!?!? Well, at least he isn't on this site with us masturbators.
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Nov 24, 2005 - 10:56pm PT
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great photo......
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Nov 24, 2005 - 11:04pm PT
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He could get some ribs blown off if he isn't careful; I heard Minerals was going machine-gunning.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Nov 24, 2005 - 11:17pm PT
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I was just watching a recently de-classified film of a V2 launch from the Hague during the winter of 1944-45 and was amazed how close the protocols and procedures conformed to the sequence we are so familiar with from watching rocket launches at Cape Kennedy. Point for point. Whatever else Werner did, he sure made some mighty fine rockets while defining the methodology that matured into the space age. To paraphrase the Irish novelist George Moore: "What do I care if 20,000 slaves die under the lash, as long as we get to the moon."
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2005 - 11:19pm PT
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Unfortunately they never ever got to the moon.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Straight Outta Squamton
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Nov 24, 2005 - 11:21pm PT
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Anyone need another drink? It's thanksgiving, isn't it?
Let's give thanks where it's most due––to the beloved bottle!
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