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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Nov 26, 2005 - 09:43am PT
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McNamara is second from right. Out of focus to his right, may be Dean Rusk - not sure on that.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Nov 26, 2005 - 02:16pm PT
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Mellpat from Sweden asks: "Why this fascination with the SS in Germany 60-70 years ago?"
I think it's because US world hegemony evolved out of a synthesis of Nazi high-tech (ballistic missiles, stealth bombers, turbo-jets, nerve gas, etc.) and Jewish physics (i.e. Oppie, Los Alamos, and the Bomb)and even today we're still trying to wrestle with the moral and ethical paradoxes implicit in that fusion.
Werner's bargain with the devil is really our bargain, too. What price world empire?
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Hootervillian
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the Ponderosa, NV
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Nov 26, 2005 - 02:20pm PT
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I think it's because US world hegemony evolved out of a synthesis of Nazi high-tech (ballistic missiles, stealth bombers, turbo-jets, nerve gas, etc.) and Jewish physics (i.e. Oppie, Los Alamos, and the Bomb)and even today we're still trying to wrestle with the moral and ethical paradoxes implicit in that fusion.
it's a good thing for US we won.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 26, 2005 - 02:23pm PT
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Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun
A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown
"Ha, Nazi schmazi," says Wernher von Braun
Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun
Some have harsh words for this man of renown
But some think our attitude should be one of gratitude
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun
You too may be a big hero
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero
"In German oder English I know how to count down
Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 26, 2005 - 02:27pm PT
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so we can all pay our respects to the ex-Nazi
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Nov 26, 2005 - 03:55pm PT
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Beggin' your pardon, Hottervillian: the US didn't "win" WWII. Normandy aside, the Ivans beat Herman at Stalingrad, Kursk, and, finally, Berlin. We were well placed to come in an pick up the pieces (Werner, ballistic missiles, Horten radar evading bombers, etc). Somebody always loses a war, but nobody really wins. We inherited the next stage in the mess of world history. It definitely ain't over yet!
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Hootervillian
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the Ponderosa, NV
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Nov 26, 2005 - 04:00pm PT
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cuz it was drippin with sarcasm...
me and the new-federalist have the who won? we won? what won? debate fortnightly.
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