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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Apr 10, 2010 - 11:57pm PT
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once there were enough interested people in the burgeoning town
Which town was that?
Nice thread-thanks,
Arne
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Apr 11, 2010 - 12:12am PT
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I LIKE this Tami Gal.
You Rock, Tami.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 11, 2010 - 12:17am PT
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The history as presented goes back to the late 19th century, with snippets of earlier things - explorers, First Peoples, etc. But the main part starts in the early 1900s. If I understand correctly, when the BCMC formed in mid-1907, the members had heard of the invention of the Alpine Club of Canada the previous year. But the ACC (later the Airborne Climbers of Canada) had negligible presence on the coast until the later 1920s, when a faction splintered off from the BCMC. It may be more complicated, and involve personalities and issues lost in the depths of time. Perhaps Tricouni can elaborate. (He was there today.)
As Tami observes, often here climbing to the clouds can be accomplished by ascending a flight of stairs, if that.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 11, 2010 - 02:17am PT
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isn't it also a sorta rip off of the Conrad Kain biography title: Where the Clouds Can Go, or was that just Conrad being a bit peevish with the editors?
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Apr 11, 2010 - 02:56am PT
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It probably ain't worth a fek if there wasn't something there about Hatten's Hammer.:^)
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Apr 11, 2010 - 10:23am PT
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Anders: Thanks for posting the link.
I am always curious when I look at most current museum offerings, including this one.
Do the museum directors believe the people that go to their museum all have A.D.D. (Attention Deficit Disorder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADHD_predominantly_inattentive )
Or do the museum directors all have A.D.D.?
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Chief
climber
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Apr 11, 2010 - 11:23am PT
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Thanks for the post Mighty.
At what point do we become museum pieces?
Currently poring over the Munday's exploits in the Waddington Range.
Don and Phyllis were BAD ASS MOUNTAINEERS and harder than nails.
What a legacy!
Tami, yer a most loveable wingnut.
bk, nice job on your letter to the Pique, when do we get together for scotch?
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Chief
climber
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Apr 11, 2010 - 11:37am PT
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forager,
Those guys have me inspired to plan a trip to the Wadd next spring.
Self propelled from Coola/Scar shoulder to Buckler/Spearman/Wadd shoulder.
The road from the beach to Scar has just been repaired and Rob Wood and I are trying to wrangle a "Gaitor" and a work crew to clean up the access from the Scar Camp to the top of the Scar Ridge. Trying to make this part of this year's Butefest. Looking for dedicated keeners up for a summer adventure.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Apr 11, 2010 - 11:51am PT
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ah, i finally get it. Foweraker -> forager ->food eater
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Apr 11, 2010 - 12:46pm PT
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anders, thanks for the link.
fritz-- museum visitors (esp. on the web) DO have ADD. most writing on/for the web now is aimed at about a 6th grade reading level, which is still a bit above what we mostly get here on old ivy-covered ST.
This Climbing to the Clouds site is actually fairly old-skool, aside from the Google-Earth interactive pages: it has mini-essays, a linear chronology, and an overarching (and didactic) storyline. each of those features offers to antagonize huge chunks of the museum audience, let alone the folks in the tubes.
i thought the davidson segment was the best done. it'd work fine with the 5th to 9th graders.
as a historian, i'd really like to have seen a page or at least usable links on the actual sources used to make the site, like a resource page for teachers.
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful, BC
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Apr 11, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
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Looks like killer ski conditions up there right now ... Tanatalus range yesterday from the highway pullout
Click image for a much higher quality view
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful, BC
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Apr 11, 2010 - 02:28pm PT
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Bruce Kay you are living the life .... looks good out there
Click image for higher resolution
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Apr 11, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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Tami:
C'mon Anders , cough up the REAL REASON the BCMC formed as the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition to the Alpine Club of Canada - formed in 1906.
Wasn't it a hissy fit about a CABIN on Grouse Mtn? Oh, did I use the "C" word in the COAST RANGE ?!? We Don't Like Cabins ; Those Are For The Rockies ( Where Climbers Are Soft )
AFAIK, the BCMC formed before the Vancouver Section of the ACC, perhaps a couple of years before. Cabins were a big part of the BCMC, right from the beginning. There were various cabins on Grouse from pre-1900, even. Certainly the early days of the BCMC revolved around the cabin, weekends at the cabin, and trips from the north shore to the local hills. It was hard to get anywhere else: after the old roads were abandoned, even the Lions were a 3-day trip up the Capilano, unless you had a boat. Whistler area? Forget it. Chilliwack valley? Week's expedition.
The hissy fit (and that's what it was)came about in late 1926. At two General Meetings of the BCMC there were motions debated / passed / defeated regarding censure of one of the members of the executive, almost certainly Tom Fyles, who held the position of "Director", regarding his somewhat dictatorail leaderhship of club trips. The upshot was that "The Director immediately rose and resigned his membership in the Club, and the following members of the Executive then followed his example: J.H Speer, W.G. Wheatley, R.E. Knight, N.M. Carter, B.C. Cayley, and W.E. Martin."
The loss of Tom Fyles and Neal Carter was a great blow to the club, because they (together with the Mundays) were among the club's strongest, most active climbers. It was this event that gave great impetus to the local section of the ACC. Don and Phy Munday remained members of both clubs, and eventually in the 1930s let their memberships in the BCMC lapse.
This detailed reasons for the split were eventually forgotten, and no record of them exists in the BCMC minutes for the day,which are not to be found in the club archives. The two clubs continued to hold some joint trips, and many members belonged to both clubs.
When I joined the BCMC in 1959, I found it very welcoming to teenagers. I inquired whether the Alpine Club took young teenagers on trips; never did hear back from them, and my friends in the BCMC discouraged me from joining the ACC, even though my uncle was a member of the ACC. So I fell into the company of Dick Culbert, Tim Auger, Arnold Shives, Martin & Esther Kafer (the Kafers were in both clubs), Dick Chambers, Paul Binkert, Roy Mason, and the like. So today, some people are in the BCMC, some in the ACC, and some in both. Which one has had, collectively, the stronger group of active climbers has swung back and forth over the years - currently it's probably the ACC.
Glenn Woodsworth
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Apr 11, 2010 - 03:04pm PT
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Tami wrote:
Hey Anders, havin' sniffed thru the thing I find it to be most excellent but oddly incomplete. FABULOUS to see the artwork of Shives !!
I totally agree; I like his work a great deal (but I'm pretty biased).
[quoteIt's more like RANDOM history of BC mountaineering. I think they missed out big stories like Slesse ( the first ascent, FWA, the airplane crash, NE Buttress, et'c ) to name one.
For sure. I hope they continue to build on it and deal with the last 30 years. Baldwin? Clarke? Kasian? Serl? Fairley? Croft? Foweraker? to name just a random few. The site's got great potential, but it's clear the focus will always be on the coast, which is fine with me. Another group will have to do the Interior Ranges and (shudder) the Rockies.
- Glenn (a Coast Mountains brat - always was, always will be)
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful, BC
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Apr 11, 2010 - 03:20pm PT
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So Foweraker is history ? Such promise now gone to waste ...
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Apr 11, 2010 - 03:25pm PT
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Naw, Foweraker, Serl, Baldwin aren't history yet. Are they? I guess Fairley isn't history, either, but he seems to be history in the Coast Mountains. (That's what living in Golden does to you....)
When does one become a museum-piece?
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mazamarick
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 11, 2010 - 04:26pm PT
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That must make Sinclair and Smaill history, right?
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful, BC
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Apr 11, 2010 - 04:31pm PT
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Relic hominids all of them, science should be done on their DNA.
More evidence that multiple classes of ancient branches of the hominid tree are still walking amongst us. Rarely observed and often misidentified yet the legends persist.
Homo Aplinus, more study and documentation of their existence is needed to pay tribute to the species.
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Chief
climber
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Apr 11, 2010 - 06:49pm PT
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Relic Hominid?
Thanks Bruce, that explains everything. At last, I've found my tribe.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Apr 11, 2010 - 08:15pm PT
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Funny how these 'northern neighbors' threads don't seem to turn
into pissing matches even when someone gets accused of belonging
to a dead-end branch on the 'hominid' tree. Yous guys really are
different! :-D
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