Sobriety (off topic or not)?


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Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
May 12, 2014 - 11:37pm PT
Lemon lime Perrier.

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
May 13, 2014 - 12:23am PT
AA coffee and crappy furniture,

remember to work the steps, just getting sober will make your life worse than when you were drinking,

lost an AA friend to a pine tree and rope yesterday, please reach out before you do that,

good stuff from Bob D

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 13, 2014 - 06:20am PT
Fck that doom sh#t. Life sober is a hell of a lot better than life wallowing in the sh#t. Seltzer water all the way. Its fizy and hits the spot with no sugar:) I used to do the ginger ale thing at partys and gigs and would feel like crap the next day.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
May 13, 2014 - 09:19am PT
Sorry about your friend, Dr. Sprock, that is a shame.

I will still take my non AA sobriety and run though!

Working a profession where I see where we drunks end up doesn't hurt my commitment. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
May 13, 2014 - 10:46am PT
I'm sorry for your loss. I understand that you're passionate about AA and the steps.


Trad climber
May 13, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
If I am at a bar(yes, I do occasionally go, though I sure didn't in the early years) I will order a cranberry and orange juice, or cranberry with seltzer. Or seltzer with lime. I'd have plain water if it didn't seem cheap.

For house parties, I stock a variety of juices with seltzer, and will brew as much coffee as anyone cares to caffeinate with. For those who drink alcohol, they are welcome to bring whatever they want, but I make sure they know there won't be any if they don't BYO.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 13, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
Being in a construction crew A few times one of the guys has asked me to buy beer when I am going to the store. Does not work for me. Did it once or twice and have decided that it is not my place for many reasons.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
May 21, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
It's more than a year and a half for me now. Nothing is taken for granted though, I do not take Hank's original post lightly! You can go back at any moment. I will be extra careful around that two year mark, you betcha.

Life is not easy by any means (when is it ever?), but I do think of the things I have learned here to cope. I believe it was Vegasclimber who said that there's nothing a drink won't make worse, and that kind of thinking has kept me straight.

My life is so much better than when I started this journey. It is largely a non-issue amongst everybody I know and I don't get all preachy (I hope) or judgmental about others' decisions. I did have a traumatic impetus to start my sobriety when I had a climbing accident while drunk. The sad part is that others online who have gleaned that from my posts have tried using my drunken climbing accident as a club against me. Either through mutual friends or what I posted, at least three users here have decided that my sobriety is good cannon fodder. Farouk, Ron Anderson, Caughtinside, I feel for you guys and sincerely hope you grow out of your small-mindedness.

My biggest relief is that I didn't physically harm anybody else in the making of my sobriety. I could have killed or hurt my climbing partner. Buzzed, driving to the crag, I could have hurt somebody. That would be truly unforgivable to me. For the small price of a broken back I was able to rehab, I am so thankful I have had the opportunity to change my life and make a difference through my career in the lives of others.

I am thankful my baby boy won't have to ever see his dad make a drunken fool of himself. I am glad my wife won't have to wonder who it is she married.

I had so much fun being drunk. And I did such stupid things. Once the rationales stop working and the party turns sour, maybe sobriety will seem like a path to anybody pondering it. I don't know how that works, I almost feel sorry for those who really need to get sober but aren't as big a bonehead as me to really screw things up and get the big flashing neon sign: You're an alcoholic! You're an alcoholic!

You can't turn your head from that sign in a hospital bed. At least, I couldn't.

It is a courageous act to admit our own weakness and decide to do something about it, so I applaud all here who have and do trod that road. I don't need this thread as much as I used to and I appreciate the quiet determination that courses through the posts of the old timers to this lifestyle, but I hope anybody out there who needs help reaches out and grabs for it because you and your life are worth that struggle.

I don't think any of this makes me a better person, it doesn't, but I know I am leading a better life than I was before.

El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
May 27, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
Hey Jebus,
Nice post.
Good job staying straight on the long and winding road.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 27, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
Great post Jebus.

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
May 27, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
Alcoholism and Drug addiction has affected to some degree every family I have ever known. I have been clean and sober since August 17th, 1989. Most of the people I have met who have tried to get sober don't get it on the first try. Some of them who couldn't have died, and others continue to live in the nightmare cycle of drinking/using, remorse, drama, financial ruin, and deteriorating health. Fortunately, several close friends of mine have also known longtime sobriety, and like me, they continue to live happier, healthier lives. I used AA but no longer attend as I am now an atheist who feels uneasy in the higher power based environment of the organization. I consider myself an lifetime member nonetheless and did every service requested of me there, and then some. I volunteered to visit and speak at the meetings in hospitals and institutions for eight years. Nothing is more satisfactory than freely exiting such places and returning to the life I now have, spared of the pain and fear of not knowing how to accept life on life's terms and how to look for and relish the rare and beautiful moments we might miss if we are too stoned, or drunk, or selfish, or upset to notice.

I have gone through some difficult times in sobriety. I have helped support my wife as she battled and recovered from cancer, have lost family members to illnesses, and have had surgeries and illnesses to recover from as well. Some of my other family members struggle with addiction and alcoholism as well. I think around year four or five were the hardest though. I just could not seem to control the people and situations around me and no matter how I tried, the play would rarely go off as I directed...
I think that time was the darkest, when I had to begin living from moment to moment and learn to lower my expectations of all the results.

Everyone deserves the opportunity to see the world as clearly as time, health, knowledge, and experience will allow. We all have different circumstances, but we who seek to be free from the bonds of addiction can be united by our similarities...

Decide that you want and deserve to live, what kind of life you want to lead, put your pride, anger, and all the rest on a shelf, and use every means at your disposal to get yourself there.

As to the question: is sobriety an appropriate topic for discussion in a rock climbing forum? The answer is to ask the question; does it pertain to you or to someone you love? If so, it is pertinent.

-Tim Sorenson

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
May 27, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
Watching my brother -in-law unable to be treated for liver cancer because the cirrohsis from alcohol and the hep c from drug use have left him with very little liver that functions. Holding my sister's hands as she loses her husband. Watching my niece lose her daddy - who will not be there to walk her down the aisle. Watching my nephew patiently taking Dad to the flea market and taking care of him (awesome little guy) instead of doing all those things 19 year old boys are supposed to do.

SObriety is a fight that is worth it to your family. I look at this thread each time it pops up to see the support and see the struggle. I am rooting for all of you.

Trad climber
Sierra Vista
May 27, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
Well done Hank!


May 27, 2014 - 05:19pm PT
Nice job Jebus but I do not recall gving you any crap about being sober. Perhaps I gave you crap about it before you announced you were sober as you were the one one who bragged about beerlays and drinking at the crag.

Anyway good job staying sober and perhaps one day we will cross paths and I'll buy you a ginger ale. I don't drink either but perhaps one or two beers a month and that would be generous if I drank that many in a month.

Good luck to you all it's a blessing to be sober.

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
May 27, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
life goes on when you quit drinking, only now you do not have booze to get you through hard times, so sobriety can be worse than drinking until you remove the reasons why you drink and then learn how to deal with life without booze,

went to the Capitol City Jamboree las weekend, had a great time,

one guy got drunk and cut the top off of his parents new Buick because he wanted to cruise around high school a convertible, they found him in the front seat the next morning, buck nekid, never did find his clothes, same guy got pulled over for a DUI and slammed the cop down on the hood of his patrol car and took his gun away from him, gave the gun back, cop turned him loose as he did not want everybody down at the station to give him a hard time about it for the rest of his life, sheesh!

here is a good one from Chuck C>


Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 27, 2014 - 05:57pm PT
Congrats Hankster!

Released to general population, Idaho
May 27, 2014 - 06:45pm PT
Keep coming back.

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
May 27, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
time and reality have a vague relationship.

i had to hire
for when reality gets too comfortable
i reach for the whip
and duly upset that status-quo;

my investment into this
psychological disaster
is my marriage
and my fame
and most of my damn fortune.

and if i can do it again,
i will only change the length
of my fingernails so i can
swipe the pleasure stains
from strange women's underwear,
thus relocating my biological
trail from her's to beneath
my fingernail
and when the cops take my
prints they will see that
i've personally ruined three
marriages as
an accessory to infidelity.
a stamp of

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 27, 2014 - 06:58pm PT
It took me roughly 4 months to finalize the sobriety process. I started trying in may of 06. Had a few slips along the way but my last 2 1/2 beers was 8-25-06 that was a milestone for me because I had been clean for about six weeks. had two beers after climbing with old drinking buddy. ordered a 3rd beer. took a few sips and decided I did not want it. Stopping like that in the middle of a Guiness with two pints in me did more for my head confidence than if I had quit on a hangover.. It was like I proved to myself that I could quit and that I really wanted to quit.

Anyone can quit when you feel like sh#t. quitting when I was just starting to feel good really proved something to myself and filled me with confidence in the years to come....

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 27, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
Cool! so happy it worked for you.
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