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Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
May 27, 2014 - 08:14pm PT
Nice job Jebus but I do not recall gving you any crap about being sober. Perhaps I gave you crap about it before you announced you were sober as you were the one one who bragged about beerlays and drinking at the crag.

Maybe I confused you with another. I swear I saw a salty exchange between us in some thread, but maybe it's a sound alike acronym user, LOL! Either way, sorry, it's unimportant, and I edited you out of my known communists list. I don't want to dwell on it, and I was more venting from the evil crap a few have thrown my way for trying to fix up this old house. I guess that's what I get for my hobby of being an internet as#@&%e, hahaha.

It's really inspiring to see the accounts of sobriety rekindled here. This is what makes this thread one of the most overall positive experiences for me on this forum.

As if I needed any reminder to keep up the good work, a new patient of mine last night required mucho man handling and some aggressively administered ativan while making a complete ass out of himself. Boy, it's really nice to tie up the attention of a lot of hospital staff who could otherwise be helping the quiet grandma in the other room. What a selfish disease we have. Hard drugs, alcohol... Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jun 20, 2014 - 02:12pm PT first aa meeting tonight.

who knows?
not me.
i've never lost control.

New York, NY
Jun 20, 2014 - 02:19pm PT
Congrats Hank, huge f*#king deal. I can relate with grim times months before getting sober. Very dark and very sick.

9 years for me last week...

thanks for this thread!!!


Trad climber
Jun 20, 2014 - 03:04pm PT
Good luck, Norwegian. I hope you get a good meeting!

Congratulations on the anniversaries to those who posted recently. I missed seeing this thread when they were posted, looks like.

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 20, 2014 - 03:17pm PT
Yeah, good luck Norwegian, you can send this!

And congrats Hank! But you knew I felt that way already.

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jun 21, 2014 - 12:23am PT
bout time you got your ass in a meeting Norwegian,

sounds like you PAID for your seat already,


let loose of your life,
step away from your life, you have been driving the bus long enough and look what happened,

page 62-Next, we decided hereafter in this drama of life, God would be our Director.

sounds corny, but looking down on the world from the gutter is no way to live,

Listen to Chuck C and Clancy I on youtube, then Bob D,

just got back from my 4th meeting today, nooner, 6 oclock men's meeting, 8 oclock speaker meeting, 10 oclock candlelight meeting, love the people, love the program,
my will to quit is no match for alcohol's will for me to drink,


Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 21, 2014 - 03:55am PT
I know a guy who has 3 DWI's the 3rd one a felony. he did time. He is out now with an ankle bracelet and state mandated prescription for that stuff that makes you real sick if you drink alcohol. Billy thinks that everyone up in jail was a loser and the people in his state mandated counseling sessions are all losers.. everyone else has the problem and he didn't do anything wrong......
Woody the Beaver

Trad climber
Soldier, Idaho
Jun 21, 2014 - 06:17am PT
Thanks, Hank.

Jun 21, 2014 - 01:15pm PT
Here we go...

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Jul 1, 2014 - 07:21am PT
Today is my birthday and my sobriety date. I'm either 53 years old or four years alive, depending on how you look at it.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Jul 1, 2014 - 07:35am PT
Happy b day, youngster!

Trad climber
Jul 1, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
Congratulations Edge!

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Jul 1, 2014 - 03:16pm PT
53 and a-life beats the alternative.
Happy B-day, Mr. living as an Edge!

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 9, 2014 - 07:22am PT
i'm guilty often of a heavy pinky,
optimistically romantic
as i emotionally commit
to 10 years of sobriety
from this point on,
in order to revive my
dead marriage and
salvage my eroded
efforts as a dad;

i am concurrently an engineer
and committed to a logic-driven realism
and i know,
and my wife knows,
and my children know
and even my mother-bless-her
who solders my fractured heart
again and a gin,
knows that really i'll just band-aid
a busted up life until
it limps along just shy of respectable
and then i'll booze it again broken
so's not to untie
the knot that binds me,
but merely just loosen it
so those whom love me
can aspire.

that's what i told the boss at a.a.
that i worry more about
her's undoing than i do about mine.


Trad climber
Jul 9, 2014 - 09:53am PT
As they say in AA, Norwegian - Keep Coming Back. You're on your way, one day at a time, and it's all good. The important thing, the only thing, really, is to not take that first drink.

I'm coming into the "countdown" time of the year. My sober date is August 26th, but in the weeks leading to it, each year, I feel a sort of melancholia mixed with hopefulness. My body remembers the period of time I was at during the several weeks before I got sober. It remembers the feeling of my soul slowly spiraling like water down the drain - a pretty bleak awareness.

I got lucky, and was flicked out of the vortex before I went past the metal ring at the top of life's drain. I got a chance at a new life without having to die.

Hope everyone is having a good day.

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 10, 2014 - 07:41pm PT

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 23, 2014 - 08:37am PT
at the edge of the vagina,
where pink fades to punk;
where reality rises from the ashes of lust;
at the threshold between arid and dank climes,

i see the same line.
the one that separates my drunk warrior from his sober coward.

and now i'm dragging myself down the coarse course of life,
"off the white dashed line,
along the black, windswept road" (mother hips.)

excessive clarity is a clown
and i'm the core of his act;
the line of his punch;
the butt of his jokes.

i got absolute control over every
life-aspect that surrenders to me.

marriage? secure.
jobs? bomber.
lifestyle? free and just-shy-of-easy.
parenting? improving.

so i'll plow this path for the time being.
upholding my chin, while peers admire my strides;

i and my progress are the subject of
dinner-time conversations all about my town.

my gaze though, the one that i cast upon
those parents of the play-yard children;
the one that is not recently hung-over;
the one that reports my adoration of struggle,
is cantilevered beyond my eyes
and some secrets comprise the back span
of that gaze - holding it up for the time
being as it is subject to life-loads.

and those little secrets i'm building every day.
and everything present is temporary.
everything that is, enjoys the blessing of entropy.

might is in my future.
and i'll be pleasantly lost once again in pink landscapes
for an extended duration
as i undo the current overload of
of poise and well being.

sobriety, for me,
is nothing more than a bridge between freedoms.
but the bridge is a plank,
cantilevered, like my stare;
bolted down in my past,
and in my future ends over an attractive abyss.

another nickname

Social climber
Yazoo Ms
Jul 23, 2014 - 09:27am PT
"The success rate of AA is between 5 and 10 percent."

"But it's harmful to the 90 percent who don't do well. And it's harmful for several important reasons. One of them is that everyone believes that AA is the right treatment. AA is never wrong, according to AA. If you fail in AA, it's you that's failed."

--Dr. Lance Dodes, Harvard Medical School

The large majority of people who stop drinking do so without AA or medical help. If AA works for you then fine, but as a contrarian, I resent its self-proclaimed dominance and tendency toward self-righteousness.


Jul 23, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
Stastically, about 5% of people who quit drinking once never drink again.

Of the rest, about a third will stop after a few tries, a third will have some success but never really stop, and the remainder will fail miserably for the rest of their lives.

AA is close to a century old. It works for some folks, not at all for many others. It begs for a more scientifically proven alternative - AA has zero science behind it. Relying on peer pressure to keep the demons at bay can a be a spotty proposition. A small number of people who are very close can make a difference - but a whole bunch of AA buddies who really aren't that close?

The 'make amends' step can be a disaster for those on the other end. That girlfriend from a decade ago? Newsflash: She really doesn't want to hear from you. The 'higher power' thing turns an increasingly larger non-religious population off before they even get in the door, even if many AA meetings are not actually religious at all.

Knowledge that does not falsely create an US v THEM construct (Drunks v normies, blah blah) can offer less isolating, more proven approaches. Rational Emotive Therapy (recognizing triggers to relapse and acting accordingly), Choice Theory, and developing a life plan (to fill the hole of not drinking) can be particularly effective none pharmaceutical methods for getting off high center.

Early public education with regards to detecting a propensity for addiction early in life is not nearly as robust or ubiquitous as it should be, and that's a shame.

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 23, 2014 - 12:56pm PT
"The success rate of AA is between 5 and 10 percent."

Not many people climb, either.....
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