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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
My dad started getting sick off it like that. Sort of an allergic reaction? Dunno. Thirty years sober for him.
salad

Big Wall climber
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
I have a friend that out of the blue would just start getting migrains after a single beer.

A few days shy of 60 for me.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Yeah, my dad says it would be like multi-day hangovers. Off a single beer! That's a bad fun to pain ratio. He would drink the NA stuff "for taste" and have no problems. Musta been the alcohol.

Props to you, salad!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Good job everyone!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 28, 2013 - 10:43am PT
hope everyone is doing ok.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Dec 31, 2013 - 11:45am PT
only because im in love with the challenge
am i still on the damn wagon.

someday, when staying on the wagon becomes innate,
i'll reorganize situations prompting
the seizure of my bearings.
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Dec 31, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
I've posted this quote earlier but they say the wagon is just a vehicle from one binge to another.
For many of us, measured consumption is beyond our ability and total abstinence an easier and safer road.
I've made no promises because never is a long time.
Just for today.

Thanks again to Hankster and all who post here for my favourite ST thread and best wishes to all for quality living in the new year!

PB
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
only because im in love with the challenge
am i still on the damn wagon.

I thought you said you had a couple snorts off the jug not long ago. Good luck Weege'.

You'll always be a star, until you aren't anymore..
(that last sentence was aimed directly at myself).
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Dec 31, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
Weedge is maybe tougher than sobriety. I thought I was, but I am not. Turns out I need its shoulder to lean on. Everybody's gotta manage their own way though.

I had a great time climbing with a sober climbing partner the other day. It's good to discuss what's going on with a member of the same tribe.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Agreed.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Dec 31, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
lets be cool on amateur night,

you can hear local police on internet scanners if you want to listen to those still suffering, kind of sadistic, but hey, whatever works,

or have your own private meeting, here ya go,

we will open the meeting with a moment of silence for those still suffering....followed by the serenity prayer...







oh Great Spirit, grant me the serenity to accept the things i can not change,

the courage to change things that i can,

and the wisdom to know the difference...

Climbers Anonymous® is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for CA membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions. CA is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy, neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.


any climbers here for there first meeting?

any climbers celebrating a birthday for December?

welcome all you newcomers and happy birthday to the birthday climbers

i've asked dr. sprock to read How It Works...

hi, Dr.Sprock here, full time drunkered...



How it works

RARELY HAVE we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest.

Our stories disclose in a general way what we used to be like, what happened, and what we are like now. If you have decided that you want what we have and are willing to go to any length to get it - then you are ready to take certain steps.

At some of these we balked. We thought that we could find an easier, softer way. But we could not. With all earnestness at our command, we beg of you to be fearless and thorough from the very start. Some of us have tried to hold on to our old ideas and the result was nil until we let go absolutely.

Remember that we deal with alcohol - cunning, baffling, powerful! Without help it is too much for us. But there is One who has all power - that One is God. May you find him now.

Half measures availed us nothing. We stood at the turning point. We asked His protection and care with complete abandon.
Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery:

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanageable.

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Many of us exclaimed, "What an order! I can't go through with it." Do not be discouraged. No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles. We are not saints. The point is, that we were willing to grow along spiritual lines. The principles we have set down are guides to progress. We claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection.

Our description of the alcoholic, the chapter to the agnostic, and our personal adventures before and after make clear three pertinent ideas:

(a) That we were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives.

(b) That probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism.

(c) That God could and would if He were sought.

thank you dr. sprock,

I've asked Norwegian to read The 12 Traditions...


The 12 Traditions


1. Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon C.A. unity.

2. For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority - a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.

3. The only requirement for C.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.

4. Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or C.A. as a whole.

5. Each group has but one primary purpose-to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.

6. An C.A. group ought never endorse, finance
or lend the C.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.

7. Every C.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.

8. Climbers Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional, but our service centers may employ special workers.

9. C.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.

10. Climbers Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the C.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.

11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio and films.

12. Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.

thank you Norwegian...

i have asked the Hankster to read The Promises

hello, i am the Hankster...here are the promises...

THE PROMISES


If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through.

We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness.

We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it.

We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace.

No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others.

That feeling of uselessness and selfpity will disappear. We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows.

Self-seeking will slip away.

Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change.

Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us.

We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us.

We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do for ourselves.

We will climb better and more safely.

We will get home in one piece.

Are these extravagant promises?

We think not.

They are being fulfilled among us—sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. They will always materialize if we work for them.

ok, the meeting is open....
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Dec 31, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
hank by my own bible
a nip off the witch's tit
don't compromise my mission.
hell i've a 30 pack of beer sitting
in my shed gathering dust
and it will continue to until
i reach my mark of 1 year
(mostly) dry.

i whetted my tongue
with a mist of whiskey,
that's all and i've no regrets.
absolutism has no ownership
in my truths.

but thanks for noticing.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Dec 31, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
nobody is taking your inventory Weege, sounds like you are doing good,

try for 1 second, 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day,

don't worry about the 1 year thing,

i use to drink 1 beer at a time, then i would pour a 4 pack of ginny draught in a picture and polish it in about 15 minutes, how cool is that?

then a Steinlager tall boy, a P.U. tall boy and a shot of Jose,

then a drunken race back to the store at 1:50 A.M. for a nite cap, usually a Becks tall boy or maybe an Anchor Steam,

would see my liver drinking a cup of coffee the next day saying "you as#@&%e!"



Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Dec 31, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
absolutism has no ownership
in my truths

I don't think it's YOUR truths you needs to be concerned about. You might want to think about why you're not drinking and what her truth is.

No booze here, no desire for any. Funny that I can't rember whether I'm winding down year 3 or year 4 of being off the sauce...just looked back in the thread, got 3 years, 9 months, 5 days.

If I can do it, anybody can.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 31, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
The last thing I want or need is a drink, even though I am fending off some depressive feelings. It's utterly amazing to me to know that I intuitively understand (as they say in the Big Book) that alcohol will not relieve me of facing reality. For me, the easier softer way(again, AA) truly is to not have that first drink.

Happy New Years Everybody!
Edge

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
My sobriety date is easy to remember, it was my 49th birthday, July 1, 2010.

New Years Day is exactly 6 months after, so tomorrow will be 3 years, 6 months to the day.

Grateful. Very very grateful.
xtrmecat

Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
Dec 31, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
Just celebrated 29 years a little over a week ago. Never in my wildest dreams did I think life could be so grand. Keep doing the deal folks. The promises are but the beginning.

Burly Bob
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 31, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Great time of year for this thread eh?
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Dec 31, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
a good coffee buzz or maybe some red bull,

beats starting the new year off with a vicious 3 day hangover,

waking up to some stupid parade on TV with a splitting headache was so depressing,
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Dec 31, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
If they start pee testing for caffeine, I am in serious, serious trouble.
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