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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 19, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
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I fail to see how the NRA can disregard the overwhelming will of its members
Surely you jest? The NRA is the lobbying arm of the firearms manufacturing industry, not a member-driven organization.
They don't give a flying f*#k what the individual sheep who buy into their scare mongering and ante up for a "membership" think. Never have, never will. They are in the business of protecting the interests of S&W, Ruger, etc.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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Hey why doesn't the 2nd Amendment allow me to carry fire arms onto a plane?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
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Why would you want to? WTF would you do with a gun on an airplane?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
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Laurie Anderson has some great lines on one of her songs that goes something like; "to be really safe you should always carry a bomb on a plane". "because the chance of there being a bomb on board are pretty small but the chance of there being two bombs on a plane are astronomical".
Why would you want to? WTF would you do with a gun on an airplane?
So I could be "safe".
Well they want me to carry them for safety in schools, theaters, churches and everywhere else. Isn't denying me the right to carry on an airplane violating my hallowed 2nd Amendment rights? What if there was a "bad guy" with a gun on board? Isn't a "good guy" with a gun the only way to stop a "bad guy" with a gun?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 20, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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Philo
they won't let u take a gun on airplane cuzz you will miss and the bullet will punch a hole in the side of the plane thus having pressure problem.
this guy is allowed to carry a fire arm on a plane.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
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Ah I see, death toll is of no importance just don't hurt the aerioplane.
Maybe we should hold public school classes on airplanes.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 22, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
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Why would you want to? WTF would you do with a gun on an airplane?
Why, shoot snakes, of course!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
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Why would you want to? WTF would you do with a gun on an airplane?
Self-defense... and resistance against a tyrannical government... duh!
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 24, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
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the (il)logic of liberal thinking:
barry claims "90% of americans" supported the failed gun bill
barry also claims the senators who voted against him...er...the bill are cowardly and caved to the "gun lobby" to ensure their re-election
(of course, one might reasonably wonder why barry didn't push for gun control when dems controlled the house and had a filibuster-proof majority in the senate, but i digress)
but, but, but...if "90% of americans" supported the bill, wasn't voting against it the COURAGEOUS thing to do? wasn't voting against the bill and, by barry's stats, against the constituents, a vote of conviction and proof that re-election was not their concern?
in what way is it "cowardly" to vote FOR something that "90% of americans" (i.e. 90% of voters) support?
maybe barry was lying...er...mistaken about that 90% stat:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/24/why-the-american-public-isnt-mad-as-hell-about-the-failure-of-the-gun-bill-in-numbers/
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 24, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 24, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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telling graphic you posted, Philo
and as much as anything, it shows the gross disproportionate voting influence of each state regardless of population having exactly two Senators
maybe two Senators from each of the original 13 states seemed like a good idea over two hundred years ago
but as is said, things have changed
California has 35 million people and two Senators
New Mexico where I live has two million people and two Senators
of course, the entire Senate vote was quite irrelevant wasn't it?
considering that the bill was dead on arrival in the Republican House
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
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Senate proposes law, representatives vote on them.
well, here in the USA either the Senate OR the House can "create" and vote on ALMOST all legislation (spending being the exception)
however, ONLY the House can originate "spending" bills, per our Constitution
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 24, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
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"in what way is it "cowardly" to vote FOR something that "90% of americans" (i.e. 90% of voters) support?"
that is NOT what happened
background checks are supported by 90% of the public, yet it was voted down as in NO
see how this is the opposite of what your thought process came up with?
it would be cowardly to vote against the wishes of the people who elected you
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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How about a straight-up nickel-per-resident tax to pay for mental health programs?
Oh wait... it's the gun nuts fault that people are nuts. I see now.
Some people use guns irresponsibly, so lets just f*#k all of them.
Hmmm... some rockclimbers bolt irresponsibly, so let's just ban rock climbing.
How long will it take to destroy a society internally simply by restricting the majority for the actions of a minority? What will it take? Oh my god no... we can't punish the individual, we have to pass a blanket prohibition that affects everyone! That's the way this country works! That's how we get things done! F*#k everyone! It's for the greater good!
I'll be out this weekend bolting some useless choss at a trail near you, for those of you who give a sh#t. Maybe do a little chipping, just for good measure. Auburn Quarry maybe? I should teach my dog to run a hammer drill to pass the time between goose kebabs.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Why bother? There's too many people in the world anyway. After all, it's the low-end of the population spectrum that really ends up being victims of themselves in the greater overall scheme of things. Hell, I think we ought to do EXACTLY as you think the gun nuts think... arm EVERYONE. Things will sort themselves out shortly, and those who survive will be the stronger for it in the end, Darwinism and all. While we're at it, we ought to just skip the whole nukes-as-a-defensive-weapon thing and launch a few. Ship 'em on over to Iran and N.Korea, cut 'em loose, and just f*#king have at it.
Global warming? Solved. Nuke winter.
Too many guns? Nah, nobody left to supply ammo. Solved.
Bolt wars and raptor closures? Not anymore!
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Hurry, hurry, hurry bullet bois there is another thread making guns look bad. You are dropping the ball here. By now I would have expected dozens of posts ridiculing anyone guilty of not knowing the correct weapon vernacular and explaining that if his "little cricket" had had an extended magazine he could have also taken out the family dog, cat and goldfish.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Yeah well a teen was killed yesterday in school by being hit in the head with a softball while playing..
getting back to a previous post of mine on this thread, the above statement by Ron is interesting to parse....
implied is the equivalence, in terms of likelihood, that playing softball at school is as dangerous as keeping handguns at home.
The determination of the statistical likelihoods requires data, and that data could be gathered by law enforcement and available to researchers except for explicitly written legislature that bars this data gathering/providing. This is a huge inhibition to the debate, since without the ability to study such things, all we have is advocacy by opinion by one side or the other.
Independent of how the research might play out, wouldn't it be wise for everyone to agree that we should be collecting this data and providing it to researchers? A much better picture could be formed of the effectiveness of handgun safety, handgun use, accidents, and all other aspects of the guns.
Why the prohibition on this aspect of guns? I don't know of anything else where such roadblocks have been put up to inhibit research.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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LaPierre: 'How many Bostonians wish they had a gun two weeks ago?'
Completely forgetting that both victims shot by the bombers WERE ARMED and the only thing that stopped one bad guy with a gun was BEING RUN OVER BY HIS BROTHER!
I heard on NPR that WLP also criticized politicians for "colluding with the people". How dare the people corrupt democracy like that, they should leave it to the vested interests like the founding fathers intended.
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