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dirtbag
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Sep 25, 2008 - 11:57am PT
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Funny how people seem to believe that racism magically ended in the 60s.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 12:42pm PT
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I don't see the *racism*.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 12:49pm PT
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White people burning a white person in effigy.
Hmmm...
Call it what you want--I think "silly" is a pretty good word--but I don't see how that's racist.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 12:54pm PT
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White people and black people should be treated equally, without consideration of race.
Race-based double-standards, that's what's racist.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:41pm PT
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hehehehe, OH WES, THAT'S JUST TOO GOOD.
HANGE EM WITH THEIR OWN WORDS, rotflmao!!
As for the issue of race, here I what I heard from a 93 year ld man yesterday in chemo:
"I've been a democrat all my life. I hate the republicans. But I just can;t vote for that nigger."
That is EXACTLY what he said, word for word.
He's a very nice old man. He's just a benevolent racist, but a racist nonetheless. Raised that way. Born 93 years ago in the south. HE's like a lot of southerners. He'd never do anything overt to harm a black person. He probably knows some that he considers fine people. BUt no way in hell is he voting for one, even if it means voting for the party he truly hates.
We continued the conversation the next time we had chemo together, it went the same way, and I said, " but Obama is half white you know." I don't think that helped.
You bet your sweet ass race is an issue. Nobody has to bring it up. Prejudice is real.
And so is the ability to alter diebold machine cards and rig the outcome of the election. There's a documentary on that one, and diebold tried to stop HBO form airing it, LOL.
(You can google that one yourself Booksnoot)
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:43pm PT
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Weschrist,
Today (not 50 years ago), black-on-white violent crime far exceeds white-on-black violent crime in both per-capita numbers and number of incidents.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:47pm PT
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It should be noted, as related on other new services, that
the effigy was hung with fishing line around the neck.
NOT A NOOSE.
Picture it. You probably can't even see the monofilament.
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Ouch!
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:56pm PT
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There is a lot of truth in Dirtyeyeballs' last post about the old man. Maybe passive aggresive racism. Seen it all my life.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:59pm PT
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Wes, If they wanted to show Obama hanged, the noose would be critical to the msg, I believe.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:01pm PT
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IT should also be noted that in the last year or so, effigy lynchings have been in the news nationwide.
IT's just very poor taste at best, and heinous at worst to do what they did.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:04pm PT
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Yep Ouch.
Dirt's post is sad but true. An exit poll in West VA of dems during the primary found that for 20% of voters, race was a factor in their decision. And those are just the ones who felt comfortable openly telling an interviewer their feelings.
So, this isn't about Repub bashing. Most weren't going to vote for Obama anyway, no matter what he looks like. This is a problem for Dem and independent voters who might otherwise like Obama.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:12pm PT
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A regular feature at the local anti-war *protest* is a George Bush effigy, which suffers frequent abuse.
It's a Big-Boy's game. No place for whiners.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:14pm PT
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...with a cardboard cutout saying "Act Six reject."
Wes, Jackson and Sharpton could use a myopic guy like you on their team.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:41pm PT
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Oh, there's still plenty of racism
and xenophobia in the U.S.
Pretty ugly.
BTW, Sarte and Genet wrote some of
their best stuff about it.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:42pm PT
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A lot of self-righteous white guys bleating about racism in this thread...
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:48pm PT
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Yep, it's better to ignore a persistent problem that few people, especially few white people, wish to discuss.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:55pm PT
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(tiny bit of drift - anyone read or have of
a copy of Genet's play "The Maids"?)
anyway...
I know for a fact my own silly biased and stereotypical
views (bordering on racist) greatly effected my perspective
of the textile construction trades in San Diego, about
30 years ago.
Stupid attitude; "upholstery is done by Mexicans south
or the border". True but it's also done by serious
pros who get to do cool stuff like Lee Iacocca's house,
custom boats and cars, too.
Had I been able to see the light of day I'm sure
I'd have done better, hard for me to admit that, now.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 04:21pm PT
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newsflash: there's racism in america! duh. there's racism EVERYWHERE and life for minorities is far better in american than it is ANYWHERE else--that's why they keep coming here...duh.
some people will vote race on BOTH sides. duh. but it's not going to be a deciding factor because the race voters will negate each other
tell me, what exactly has to happen for people to get over race? a decade ago, you might have said, "a black man/woman needs to be a presidential nominee"...the fact that obama is at the top of the ticket renders this debate ridiculous--a lot more white folk voted for the brother than voted for the white guys running against him
the problem is race baiters will never be satisfied because it's all they know...let's get over it...condemn racism when we see it but don't turn every incident into a national disgrace because this nation is the most racially harmonious in the world
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