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dirtineye
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Sep 24, 2008 - 10:05pm PT
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HEHE, the best part is that it happened at a "small christian school".
Gotta love the religious teachings these kids get there-- love thy fellow man, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and all that stuff Jesus said.
Betcha Jesus would be voting for Obama.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Sep 24, 2008 - 10:19pm PT
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Interesting. I've also noticed persons of certain ideological persuasion love to constantly refer to the democratic candidate as Barack Hussein Obama. I mean, WTF is McCain's middle name?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 24, 2008 - 10:20pm PT
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WTF is McCain's middle name?
Hanoi
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 24, 2008 - 11:00pm PT
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Sidney
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 24, 2008 - 11:13pm PT
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Curt, I don't think Jesus would be voting for a false prophet.
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froodish
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 25, 2008 - 12:27am PT
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It'd be a mistake to paint George Fox University with a "Bob Jones brush".
George Fox has Quaker roots and the Quakers have a long and proud history of social justice activism.
I've a rather dim view of religion in general but the Quakers are one of the few outfits I respect.
This sound more like something the Wilsonville skinheads would do, but if it turns out that the cowardly punks who did this are indeed George Fox students I'm quite certain that the admin there will deal with them appropriately - and not just because everyone is watching.
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mlbsniper26
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california
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:14am PT
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Why all the hate towards christians? Always with the negative stereotypical insults! There are so many variants of christianity, yet all you atheist and agnostics like to kick when they think you are down. And for that moron in Oregon, just another hyper-liberal spin. No way in this or the next life would I be casting any vote for that Euro-trash socialist...Obama. Better a bible thumper than some Oprah loving new age nonsense.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:19am PT
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Obama is a false prophet?
Don't you mean McCain, who can't seem to make up his mind, and so is for deregulation one day and against it the next?
Well OK, maybe that's not false, maybe it's just two faced. or ignorant. Or uninformed. OR just plain dazed and confused.
Hmmm, same as the LAST republican president, come to think of it.
But back to your point, how about some support for Obama being a false prophet?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:24am PT
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So Obama is a "false prophet."
Wow.
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:24am PT
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My comment had more to do with you making a claim about knowing who Jesus would vote for. Insinuating he's a false prophet is total cynicism, nothing more. You know, the Messiah label and all.
IMPO, BO is a propped pol with not much character. Sorry if we don't agree on this or whether he should be Pres.
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dirtbag
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:29am PT
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Okey dokey Mimi.
Have a nice night, I'm going to sleep.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:59am PT
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Wrong again Mimi.
I didn't say I knew, I said I'd BET he'd vote Obama. That's a risk, not a certainty.
But on another tanget, you can bet that if Jesus were running as a democrat, the rethuglcians would be pointing out that he is a jew, a socialist, a madman who chased good rethuglican-like bankers out of the temple, and a host of other things.
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:02am PT
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Amen!
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:06am PT
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Got it. Being a bettor myself, however, I don't think the GOP has cornered the market on bad decisions.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:10am PT
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I think it's safe to say that almost every politician of every party is somewhat corrupt, and so yes, bad decisions (for the PEOPLE they are supposed to represent anyway) are common on both sides.
It's just that the rethuglicans have been a lot better at corruption these past 30 years.
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:16am PT
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Dirtineye. He was considered a halfbreed, the result of a Roman soldier. Obama too bears this kind of litmus-test-of-racism quality.
The event at George Fox does demonstrate that racism is hidden in every corner. Yet this school, The Friends Denomination, is perhaps the most peaceful in Christendom, notable for its emphasis of social justice. e.g. objection to Viet Nam War, etc.. Thankfully, not a reflective event of the institution.
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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Sep 25, 2008 - 03:25am PT
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Hmmm dirtineye I would normally agree with your statement claiming the rethuglicans have been a lot better at corruption over the last 30 years. I have seen way too many democratic ties to our current economic woes in the housing bubble to claim that anymore. It's sad. Sad but true. Who was it that made 90 million dollars over the last 6 years? I don't see how anyone can talk about the repubs as greedy and rich. How many of the Democratic representatives are poor or even middle class. Take in mind that I am a relatively poor person myself so my view of middle class is not someone making 150,000 a year.
On the topic: If Obama loses it is because the repubs are racist, right? So if McCain loses is it because the Dems are sexist??
My write in candidate. Who can resist they puppy dog look?
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Loomis
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 04:40am PT
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t*r we know it was you.
Jessica is hotter than you are.
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Loomis
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 05:21am PT
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t*r: So you are self banished?
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Loomis
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 05:54am PT
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t*r Fight? fight yourself.
BTW: this is Bob's thread, do not high jack it.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona, Spain
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Sep 25, 2008 - 06:19am PT
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If any of you would like to know how Jesus would vote, I can tell you, but you'll have to send me a small donation first.
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Loomis
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 06:24am PT
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t*r Jesssica is still hotter than you are.
Mouth? I read. do you?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:18am PT
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No, no. No more extreme personal details about your life t*r.
You've been doing really well lately, and you deserve credit for that.
You'll probably turn out just fine, but you still need to guard against the tendency to become a Locker or a Juan de Fvckup.
Somehow I doubt you'd ever be in danger of going LEB on us.
Write another "how to fix your car" thread, that will help a lot. Especially stuff you could fix when stranded at a remote climbing area. THAT would be a very useful climbing related thread that you could start and make a lot of good contributions to.
PS Dingus is SOOO HOT For you, he can't stand it. But if I were you, I'd just ignore him.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:22am PT
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Loomis, just so you know, No thread belongs to ANYONE. Once you cast a thread upon the waters of the internet, it goes where ever people take it. Trying to control a thread is really, really stupid, and suggesting that you should try is just nuts.
Besides, hijacking a thread is a time honored internet past time, and one well worth the effort, depending on how you set the hook in someone like you who seems to care about such things.
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Loomis
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:24am PT
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Dirt, a point well taken, but Jessica is still hotter than you are.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:25am PT
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And one more thing, giving t*r SHYTE when she's being good is a REALLY bad idea.
And she's been VERY good lately, so, kindly lay off and STFU, dear Loomis.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:27am PT
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Yes, I agree, Jessica is WAY hotter than I am.
I'd much rather do her than do me.
Somehow I don't think she'd feel the same way.
But since my GF has her own major hotness, and HK still want's to have my love child or something, I'm not too worried about it.
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Loomis
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:29am PT
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Spurt, please.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:31am PT
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WHAT?
What did I do?
Are you picking on me?
Are you?
I'm gonna cry now.
I'm telling Obama, and HE'LL fix your sorry ass, you'll see.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:43am PT
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jesus wouldn't vote: "render unto caesar that which is caesar's"; he would recognize the corruption and the potential for salvation in BOTH candidates, and he would counsel each accordingly
don't forget the recent survey that indicated 30% of registered DEMOCRATS have negative prejudices about black men
racism does exist in america and everywhere else in the world; the difference, of course, is that it's against the law in america
the only reason race is an issue in the campaign is because of the insistence by libs that any white, asian, latino, etc., who doesn't vote for obama is a racist (and any black person who doesn't vote for obama is a sell-out, an uncle tom)
some people won't vote for obama because he's black...and an equal number will vote for obama because he's black
it's not about race; it's about the issues
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Flashlight
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:53am PT
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Yes, race IS an issue. That is why over 90% of blacks favor Obama. I am sure that favoritism is based on the issues.
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Loomis
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:56am PT
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But Jesus was a terrorist, enemy of the state. That's what the Romans labeled him, so he was put to death.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:57am PT
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Scott, go back to sleep.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 09:39am PT
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"the only reason race is an issue in the campaign is because of the insistence by libs that any white, asian, latino, etc., who doesn't vote for obama is a racist"
More hyperbole from bookworm.
Bookworm, the fact is a lot of people aren't voting for him because they think he's a) black, b) muslim or c) otherwise too "Exotic." Wake up dude. This isn't repub bashing, because most repubs wouldn't vote for a dem anyway, it's a fact of life in America.
BTW, about 80-90% of blacks vote for dems anyway.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 10:15am PT
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"the fact is a lot of people aren't voting for him because they think he's a) black, b) muslim or c) otherwise too "Exotic.""
and...
the fact is a lot of people ARE voting for him because they think he's a) black, b) muslim or c) otherwise too "Exotic."
i do like your use of the word "think" dirt...why do so many people think obama is black? from what i've heard, he has much caucasion blood in him as he does anything else...wouldn't a truly "post-racial" candidate make no reference to his race at all?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 10:19am PT
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Do you Dingus?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 10:27am PT
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"i do like your use of the word "think" dirt...why do so many people think obama is black? from what i've heard, he has much caucasion blood in him as he does anything else...wouldn't a truly "post-racial" candidate make no reference to his race at all? "
This is so utterly ridiculous I'm not going to bother with a response. Have a nice day.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 10:39am PT
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Well, basically that's mine too.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 11:57am PT
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Funny how people seem to believe that racism magically ended in the 60s.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 12:42pm PT
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I don't see the *racism*.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 12:49pm PT
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White people burning a white person in effigy.
Hmmm...
Call it what you want--I think "silly" is a pretty good word--but I don't see how that's racist.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 12:54pm PT
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White people and black people should be treated equally, without consideration of race.
Race-based double-standards, that's what's racist.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:41pm PT
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hehehehe, OH WES, THAT'S JUST TOO GOOD.
HANGE EM WITH THEIR OWN WORDS, rotflmao!!
As for the issue of race, here I what I heard from a 93 year ld man yesterday in chemo:
"I've been a democrat all my life. I hate the republicans. But I just can;t vote for that nigger."
That is EXACTLY what he said, word for word.
He's a very nice old man. He's just a benevolent racist, but a racist nonetheless. Raised that way. Born 93 years ago in the south. HE's like a lot of southerners. He'd never do anything overt to harm a black person. He probably knows some that he considers fine people. BUt no way in hell is he voting for one, even if it means voting for the party he truly hates.
We continued the conversation the next time we had chemo together, it went the same way, and I said, " but Obama is half white you know." I don't think that helped.
You bet your sweet ass race is an issue. Nobody has to bring it up. Prejudice is real.
And so is the ability to alter diebold machine cards and rig the outcome of the election. There's a documentary on that one, and diebold tried to stop HBO form airing it, LOL.
(You can google that one yourself Booksnoot)
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:43pm PT
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Weschrist,
Today (not 50 years ago), black-on-white violent crime far exceeds white-on-black violent crime in both per-capita numbers and number of incidents.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:47pm PT
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It should be noted, as related on other new services, that
the effigy was hung with fishing line around the neck.
NOT A NOOSE.
Picture it. You probably can't even see the monofilament.
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Ouch!
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:56pm PT
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There is a lot of truth in Dirtyeyeballs' last post about the old man. Maybe passive aggresive racism. Seen it all my life.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 01:59pm PT
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Wes, If they wanted to show Obama hanged, the noose would be critical to the msg, I believe.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:01pm PT
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IT should also be noted that in the last year or so, effigy lynchings have been in the news nationwide.
IT's just very poor taste at best, and heinous at worst to do what they did.
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dirtbag
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:04pm PT
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Yep Ouch.
Dirt's post is sad but true. An exit poll in West VA of dems during the primary found that for 20% of voters, race was a factor in their decision. And those are just the ones who felt comfortable openly telling an interviewer their feelings.
So, this isn't about Repub bashing. Most weren't going to vote for Obama anyway, no matter what he looks like. This is a problem for Dem and independent voters who might otherwise like Obama.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:12pm PT
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A regular feature at the local anti-war *protest* is a George Bush effigy, which suffers frequent abuse.
It's a Big-Boy's game. No place for whiners.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:14pm PT
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...with a cardboard cutout saying "Act Six reject."
Wes, Jackson and Sharpton could use a myopic guy like you on their team.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:41pm PT
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Oh, there's still plenty of racism
and xenophobia in the U.S.
Pretty ugly.
BTW, Sarte and Genet wrote some of
their best stuff about it.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:42pm PT
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A lot of self-righteous white guys bleating about racism in this thread...
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:48pm PT
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Yep, it's better to ignore a persistent problem that few people, especially few white people, wish to discuss.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Sep 25, 2008 - 02:55pm PT
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(tiny bit of drift - anyone read or have of
a copy of Genet's play "The Maids"?)
anyway...
I know for a fact my own silly biased and stereotypical
views (bordering on racist) greatly effected my perspective
of the textile construction trades in San Diego, about
30 years ago.
Stupid attitude; "upholstery is done by Mexicans south
or the border". True but it's also done by serious
pros who get to do cool stuff like Lee Iacocca's house,
custom boats and cars, too.
Had I been able to see the light of day I'm sure
I'd have done better, hard for me to admit that, now.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 04:21pm PT
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newsflash: there's racism in america! duh. there's racism EVERYWHERE and life for minorities is far better in american than it is ANYWHERE else--that's why they keep coming here...duh.
some people will vote race on BOTH sides. duh. but it's not going to be a deciding factor because the race voters will negate each other
tell me, what exactly has to happen for people to get over race? a decade ago, you might have said, "a black man/woman needs to be a presidential nominee"...the fact that obama is at the top of the ticket renders this debate ridiculous--a lot more white folk voted for the brother than voted for the white guys running against him
the problem is race baiters will never be satisfied because it's all they know...let's get over it...condemn racism when we see it but don't turn every incident into a national disgrace because this nation is the most racially harmonious in the world
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 25, 2008 - 06:47pm PT
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I have a sneaking suspicion that the person who hung that effigy was KNOTT a white male Christian ...
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 25, 2008 - 08:43pm PT
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Just a hunch.
Wouldn't be the first time...
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 26, 2008 - 01:35pm PT
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Booksnoot wrote:
"some people will vote race on BOTH sides. duh. but it's not going to be a deciding factor because the race voters will negate each other "
OK, now here we have a good example of someone who cannot count.
Dear Booksnoot, how many blacks are in the US population?
Now, How many whites are in the US population?
OK, when you know the answers to these questions, please indulge yourself and come up with a method of determining just how the racism on either side will manage to nullify the other.
BTW, a nice side point that is somewhat related and always confounds people like you, is to ask, "How many blacks in this country are on welfare?", and then ask the accompanying question, "How many whites are on welfare in this country?".
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:04pm PT
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The AntiChrist wrote:
Thanks for KNOTT backing up your unsupported hunches, speculations, and claims.
Settle down, son - some of us have to work for a living...
Are you suggesting that such things have never happened?
There have been many cases where false reports of racism or anti-semitism were
made in order to either garner sympathy, or to cast a negative light on certain groups.
Here's one I found in 10 seconds of searching:
http://newsok.com/fbi-sheriff-lynching-report-false/article/3251897/
Also, I remember a case where a school teacher reported that some hate-graffiti was
found on her locker; she later admitted she did it herself...
My point is that it would be a great strategy by an anti Christian zealot to hang a
black man in effigy at a Christian school - "proving" how hateful and racist those
bible thumpers really are.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:14pm PT
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You should KNOTT put words in my mouth; I never suggested that at all...
Bob - Just saw the video linked above.
It just goes to show that democrats can be as racist and ignorant as anyone else...
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:16pm PT
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dirt
90% of blacks are voting for obama; add to that the number of whites who are voting for obama just because he's black and, yes, i think that balances the the number of whites who won't vote for him because he's black
so, welfare is a racist program?????
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:24pm PT
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I said a "sneaking suspicion"...You wrote:
I'm pointing out that you suggest it is more prevalent than actual racism.
You ARE putting words in my mouth, because I never said or suggested "it is is more prevalent than actual racism"
(direct quote from you - knott me).
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:35pm PT
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Because it would be oh so convenient, would it knott?
I've gotten a bit cynical with all the race-bating that is so prevalent these days...
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 02:38pm PT
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Bookworn wrote:90% of blacks are voting for obama; add to that the number of whites who are voting for obama just because he's black and, yes, i think that balances the the number of whites who won't vote for him because he's black.
Do you understand that only 12 per-cent of the American population is African American?
White-Americans equal 68-per-cent of the population.
Do the math...it is a uphill battle for Obama and he is still leading in the polls and will be the winner on November, 4, 2008
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:40pm PT
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Bob - who do you suppose the Hillary supporter in that video will be voting for? ;-)
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dirtbag
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:41pm PT
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Bob, also...about 80-90% of blacks vote Democrat anyway. A white dem such as Bill Clinton would get nearly as many votes as Obama.
So while a few black people are probably voting for Obama because of his ancestry, it's not many more than typically vote Dem anyway.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 02:50pm PT
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Knott wrote: Bob - who do you suppose the Hillary supporter in that video will be voting for? ;-)
Palin-McCain :)
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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Sep 30, 2008 - 11:55pm PT
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Yada Yada racist Christian this and that. Pshaw, it's really getting monotonous. There are just as many black Christians as there are white Christians. I have been to many black Christian churches. Might surprise you to know that black people can be racist too. It's just a good thing you are the resident expert on racism and discrimination against black people in America. Most of the black people I know would find your efforts to identify with them and support their "cause" to be offensive. On the topic of race in the election: of course it exists. There are white people that won't vote for Obama because he is half black. There are mexicans who will not vote for Obama because he is half black. There are black people who are only voting for Obama because he is half black. We can even say the election is sexist. There are people who will not vote for McCain because Palin is a female. Discrimination? How many people are not voting for McCain because of his age? Fact of life. You know all of us southerners are just so damned racist though. Everyones experiences are not the same. Those of you with closed minds may think what you wish.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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jbar,
Some people can't handle the fact that others come to different conclusions. In this case, they assume that if you oppose Obama, it's because of racism, not, say, because of his left-wing ideology. It's their way of rationalizing your disagreement with them. If you disagree, it must be because you're irrational and evil (i.e. racist and religious).
It reminds me of too many lawyers I've dealt with who assume that either you don't understand their arguments, or you're intellectually dishonest. They tend to get blindsided by intellectually dishonest judges and juries who don't understand their arguments.
In this instance, I'll be astounded if Obama loses this election, but if he does, it won't be race that is decisive. Rather, it will be that everyone who reports to me on the mood of the "public" can't overcome their own slant on things. The most honest take on this was Susan Stamberg on NPR after the 1980 election. All the purveyors of Conventional Wisdom expected Carter to win a close election. Stamberg's explanation of why they were so surprised was to the effect that "we're all liberal, and we only talk to each other, so maybe we didn't know." Maybe indeed.
John
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jbar
Mountain climber
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John,
I agree. I had been thinking something along the same lines earlier. I remember having read about an election I was too young to witness. The point was that the media had already elected a candidate. The journalist loved him so much all you heard about was how he was going to win. Real people came out to vote and he lost. There was a funny line written wondering how he was elected when nobody voted for him.
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dirtbag
climber
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Some people can't handle the fact that others come to different conclusions. In this case, they assume that if you oppose Obama, it's because of racism, not, say, because of his left-wing ideology. "
What complete bullsh#t. I don't think anyone here has said that.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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"There is no f*#king way any sane person could consider McCain and (especially) Palin fit for the White House. Something fishy is going on..."
ok, wes doesn't mention racism specifically, but the implications is there...a vote for mccain can't possibly be about the issues (i.e. national security)...about mccain's proven leadership...about mccain's willingness to risk his career by opposing his party and/or his president...about mccain's proven opposition to wasteful spending
no, it has to be something "fishy"...nefarious...race?
i can't believe that people are trusting obama to "change" washington even though he's never done ANYTHING to challenge the status quo since he was first elected to public office...not even since he announced "change" as his campaign theme...i can't believe people are trusting obama to fulfill his promises even though he's already backed off (or broken) many of the promises that won him the nomination...i can't believe people trust obama to lead this country through difficult times even though he's never demonstrated any leadership...EVER
what about this (i'm paraphrasing): this is the worst financial crisis since the depression; we need to act now to save our economy; we need to come together, put aside partisan politics, to protect the american people...but i'm going to keep campaigning; you guys call me if you need me
obama didn't call a single member of the house (not even dems) leading up to the vote; when asked why he didn't talk to repubs, he said, "you know, i'm not very persuasive on that side of the aisle"...wow! that's what i call leadership
does that make obama voters insane? no...but i do believe naive is appropriate...i know you "hope" obama will be different even though he's done nothing to deserve your hope...not "fishy" but definitely faithy
by the way, i know we're all looking forward to tomorrow's debate...did you know the "moderator" gwen ifill has written a book about obama? and that's it's due to be released on january 20th (inauguration time)? don't you think book sales might be--just a teensy weensy bit--influenced by whether or not obama is elected? do you know what conflict of interest means? deep down, don't you really, truly want an objective moderator? or would you agree to let sean hannity moderate the next presidential debate?
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dirtbag
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"by the way, i know we're all looking forward to tomorrow's debate...did you know the "moderator" gwen ifill has written a book about obama? and that's it's due to be released on january 20th (inauguration time)? don't you think book sales might be--just a teensy weensy bit--influenced by whether or not obama is elected? do you know what conflict of interest means? deep down, don't you really, truly want an objective moderator? or would you agree to let sean hannity moderate the next presidential debate? "
Then why did McCain agree to let her moderate?
Sounds like McCain did about as much vetting of Ifill as they did for Palin.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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"What complete bullsh#t. I don't think anyone here has said that"
Dirtbag,
Sorry to be Clintonesque, but it depends on your definition of "here." In a different thread on ST I'd related how my 96-year-old mother, an avowed life-long leftist, was initially a strong supporter of Obama, but how she got disillusioned as she heard more and more of his empty promises, to the point where he sounds like a charlatan to her now. That comment was met with an immediate allegation of racism.
I agree that no Obama supporter said precisely what I said on this thread; no one here seriously argues that the world is without racism, either. I stand by my comments.
John
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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"I'm sure he's the only one who feels this way. After all, racism ended long ago."
i never claimed racism has ended...in fact, i'm absolutely certain it will NEVER end...not in america or everywhere else in the world...but racism is far less an issue here than in any other place in the world...and this election will not be decided because of race...yes, many people will vote for obama because of race, but i believe most will vote for him because of hope (it can't be for anything else)
ummm...since when should candidates be expected to vet MODERATORS? maybe, mccain should have asked if ifill was writing a pro-obama book...or maybe, despite her many public expressions of support for obama, mccain counted on her professionalism in good faith...in fact, the MODERATOR is obliged by professional ethics to disclose any potential conflict of interest...we'll see if ifill begins the debate with such a disclosure
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jstan
climber
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Ultimately it comes down to a voter's priorities.
Imagine you have one candidate you feel is not up to the job but is of the "right" race. And a very capable candidate who is of the "wrong" race.
You, the voter, have to choose whether good government or race is the higher priority.
When the cost of poor government has clearly become extremely high, voters' choices might be expected to be based less upon race.
If a voter allows race to be an issue then, really, they will get exactly what they deserve.
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dirtbag
climber
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"ummm...since when should candidates be expected to vet MODERATORS? maybe, mccain should have asked if ifill was writing a pro-obama book...or maybe, despite her many public expressions of support for obama, mccain counted on her professionalism in good faith...in fact, the MODERATOR is obliged by professional ethics to disclose any potential conflict of interest...we'll see if ifill begins the debate with such a disclosure "
So you know she didn't disclose it? It's hardly a big secret she's writing a book. Looks like you're up on all the right wing pre-debate whining points of the day
She'll be getting the same questions as Biden. Just like that big bad vicious liberal Couric, she'll ask Palin (and Biden) a question, and Palin will respond "Flarbaquots uhigly Bailout vlorpu dolirit Healthcare gultobaft Taxes."
I hope for her sake that her pre-Debate fluffers are instructing her that she should not do what she did in the Couric interview and start speaking in tongues.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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How many effigies of Bush have been hung, burned, etc.?
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dirtbag
climber
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How many have been hung because he is white?
Lynchings have been a traditional way to terrorize black people. Thus, the noose is a powerful racist symbol. Don't take my word for it, look it up and learn some history.
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jstan
climber
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C'mon Coz. On ST you can say right out what you think.
You don't need to hold back.
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