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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 25, 2008 - 06:47pm PT
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I have a sneaking suspicion that the person who hung that effigy was KNOTT a white male Christian ...
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 25, 2008 - 08:43pm PT
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Just a hunch.
Wouldn't be the first time...
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 26, 2008 - 01:35pm PT
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Booksnoot wrote:
"some people will vote race on BOTH sides. duh. but it's not going to be a deciding factor because the race voters will negate each other "
OK, now here we have a good example of someone who cannot count.
Dear Booksnoot, how many blacks are in the US population?
Now, How many whites are in the US population?
OK, when you know the answers to these questions, please indulge yourself and come up with a method of determining just how the racism on either side will manage to nullify the other.
BTW, a nice side point that is somewhat related and always confounds people like you, is to ask, "How many blacks in this country are on welfare?", and then ask the accompanying question, "How many whites are on welfare in this country?".
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:04pm PT
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The AntiChrist wrote:
Thanks for KNOTT backing up your unsupported hunches, speculations, and claims.
Settle down, son - some of us have to work for a living...
Are you suggesting that such things have never happened?
There have been many cases where false reports of racism or anti-semitism were
made in order to either garner sympathy, or to cast a negative light on certain groups.
Here's one I found in 10 seconds of searching:
http://newsok.com/fbi-sheriff-lynching-report-false/article/3251897/
Also, I remember a case where a school teacher reported that some hate-graffiti was
found on her locker; she later admitted she did it herself...
My point is that it would be a great strategy by an anti Christian zealot to hang a
black man in effigy at a Christian school - "proving" how hateful and racist those
bible thumpers really are.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:14pm PT
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You should KNOTT put words in my mouth; I never suggested that at all...
Bob - Just saw the video linked above.
It just goes to show that democrats can be as racist and ignorant as anyone else...
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:16pm PT
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dirt
90% of blacks are voting for obama; add to that the number of whites who are voting for obama just because he's black and, yes, i think that balances the the number of whites who won't vote for him because he's black
so, welfare is a racist program?????
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:24pm PT
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I said a "sneaking suspicion"...You wrote:
I'm pointing out that you suggest it is more prevalent than actual racism.
You ARE putting words in my mouth, because I never said or suggested "it is is more prevalent than actual racism"
(direct quote from you - knott me).
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:35pm PT
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Because it would be oh so convenient, would it knott?
I've gotten a bit cynical with all the race-bating that is so prevalent these days...
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 02:38pm PT
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Bookworn wrote:90% of blacks are voting for obama; add to that the number of whites who are voting for obama just because he's black and, yes, i think that balances the the number of whites who won't vote for him because he's black.
Do you understand that only 12 per-cent of the American population is African American?
White-Americans equal 68-per-cent of the population.
Do the math...it is a uphill battle for Obama and he is still leading in the polls and will be the winner on November, 4, 2008
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:40pm PT
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Bob - who do you suppose the Hillary supporter in that video will be voting for? ;-)
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:41pm PT
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Bob, also...about 80-90% of blacks vote Democrat anyway. A white dem such as Bill Clinton would get nearly as many votes as Obama.
So while a few black people are probably voting for Obama because of his ancestry, it's not many more than typically vote Dem anyway.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 02:50pm PT
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Knott wrote: Bob - who do you suppose the Hillary supporter in that video will be voting for? ;-)
Palin-McCain :)
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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Sep 30, 2008 - 11:55pm PT
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Yada Yada racist Christian this and that. Pshaw, it's really getting monotonous. There are just as many black Christians as there are white Christians. I have been to many black Christian churches. Might surprise you to know that black people can be racist too. It's just a good thing you are the resident expert on racism and discrimination against black people in America. Most of the black people I know would find your efforts to identify with them and support their "cause" to be offensive. On the topic of race in the election: of course it exists. There are white people that won't vote for Obama because he is half black. There are mexicans who will not vote for Obama because he is half black. There are black people who are only voting for Obama because he is half black. We can even say the election is sexist. There are people who will not vote for McCain because Palin is a female. Discrimination? How many people are not voting for McCain because of his age? Fact of life. You know all of us southerners are just so damned racist though. Everyones experiences are not the same. Those of you with closed minds may think what you wish.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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jbar,
Some people can't handle the fact that others come to different conclusions. In this case, they assume that if you oppose Obama, it's because of racism, not, say, because of his left-wing ideology. It's their way of rationalizing your disagreement with them. If you disagree, it must be because you're irrational and evil (i.e. racist and religious).
It reminds me of too many lawyers I've dealt with who assume that either you don't understand their arguments, or you're intellectually dishonest. They tend to get blindsided by intellectually dishonest judges and juries who don't understand their arguments.
In this instance, I'll be astounded if Obama loses this election, but if he does, it won't be race that is decisive. Rather, it will be that everyone who reports to me on the mood of the "public" can't overcome their own slant on things. The most honest take on this was Susan Stamberg on NPR after the 1980 election. All the purveyors of Conventional Wisdom expected Carter to win a close election. Stamberg's explanation of why they were so surprised was to the effect that "we're all liberal, and we only talk to each other, so maybe we didn't know." Maybe indeed.
John
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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John,
I agree. I had been thinking something along the same lines earlier. I remember having read about an election I was too young to witness. The point was that the media had already elected a candidate. The journalist loved him so much all you heard about was how he was going to win. Real people came out to vote and he lost. There was a funny line written wondering how he was elected when nobody voted for him.
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dirtbag
climber
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Some people can't handle the fact that others come to different conclusions. In this case, they assume that if you oppose Obama, it's because of racism, not, say, because of his left-wing ideology. "
What complete bullsh#t. I don't think anyone here has said that.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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"There is no f*#king way any sane person could consider McCain and (especially) Palin fit for the White House. Something fishy is going on..."
ok, wes doesn't mention racism specifically, but the implications is there...a vote for mccain can't possibly be about the issues (i.e. national security)...about mccain's proven leadership...about mccain's willingness to risk his career by opposing his party and/or his president...about mccain's proven opposition to wasteful spending
no, it has to be something "fishy"...nefarious...race?
i can't believe that people are trusting obama to "change" washington even though he's never done ANYTHING to challenge the status quo since he was first elected to public office...not even since he announced "change" as his campaign theme...i can't believe people are trusting obama to fulfill his promises even though he's already backed off (or broken) many of the promises that won him the nomination...i can't believe people trust obama to lead this country through difficult times even though he's never demonstrated any leadership...EVER
what about this (i'm paraphrasing): this is the worst financial crisis since the depression; we need to act now to save our economy; we need to come together, put aside partisan politics, to protect the american people...but i'm going to keep campaigning; you guys call me if you need me
obama didn't call a single member of the house (not even dems) leading up to the vote; when asked why he didn't talk to repubs, he said, "you know, i'm not very persuasive on that side of the aisle"...wow! that's what i call leadership
does that make obama voters insane? no...but i do believe naive is appropriate...i know you "hope" obama will be different even though he's done nothing to deserve your hope...not "fishy" but definitely faithy
by the way, i know we're all looking forward to tomorrow's debate...did you know the "moderator" gwen ifill has written a book about obama? and that's it's due to be released on january 20th (inauguration time)? don't you think book sales might be--just a teensy weensy bit--influenced by whether or not obama is elected? do you know what conflict of interest means? deep down, don't you really, truly want an objective moderator? or would you agree to let sean hannity moderate the next presidential debate?
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dirtbag
climber
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"by the way, i know we're all looking forward to tomorrow's debate...did you know the "moderator" gwen ifill has written a book about obama? and that's it's due to be released on january 20th (inauguration time)? don't you think book sales might be--just a teensy weensy bit--influenced by whether or not obama is elected? do you know what conflict of interest means? deep down, don't you really, truly want an objective moderator? or would you agree to let sean hannity moderate the next presidential debate? "
Then why did McCain agree to let her moderate?
Sounds like McCain did about as much vetting of Ifill as they did for Palin.
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