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Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 4, 2009 - 03:27pm PT
Just read this and made me think a little too much.... jb

"The 4th of You Lie" by Jimmie Beason (Osage/Mvskoke)

Every year on the 4th of You Lie (July), patriotic Americans engage in
their multiple colored foray of pyromania by blowing up fireworks to
celebrate the birth of the United Snakes.

This is appropriate as it's a metaphor for Indigenous genocide. The fuse of
colonization was lit and exploded with Manifest Destiny and conquest
ripping through OUR freedom; a true Freedom that existed for thousands of
years before the European invasion of our continent.

Amerikkka's policies toward us have done nothing to help, only to destroy.
Treaties were made and signed with the "utmost honor" only to be broken. In
1492, it is estimated that 5 million Native people inhabited the Western
Hemisphere. By the 1800's our population was reduced to 600,000. At the end
of the 19th century--250,000.


Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 4, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
bachar, it's sad to see you turn into a commie, anti-AmeriKan.

we are so screwed as a country with this crap and Bachar going Red on us.


Social climber
Jul 4, 2009 - 03:32pm PT
Nice, John!

I'm not celebrating with fireworks, just salvia!

Jul 4, 2009 - 03:33pm PT
While a certain amount of introspection and reflection is necessary and healthy, self-loathing is not.

Social climber
It's like FoCo in NoCo Daddy-O!
Jul 4, 2009 - 03:33pm PT
True enough John. Sadly this has always been the way of man throughout the history of man. I prefer to focus on the good that eventually came of this in that had this not occurred, we wouldn't have been able to save the world in the 20th century.
Have a great forth!

Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2009 - 03:52pm PT
Dude, I didn't write it, I was just reading it.... I guess I think too much sometimes, sorry.

I'm a total free market capitalist by the way.

Trad climber
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:16pm PT
i refuse to participate in 4th of july, veterans day, memorial day and presidents day because we were founded on LIES and DECEIT! Hang on, government check in the mail. Time to walk the walk, amiright?

Trad climber
One Step Beyond!
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:25pm PT

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:25pm PT
sorry, John, just calling as I see 'em.

your shoes kick ass!

The crap you posted is still retro-historical crap though. No offense. It is interesting to look at stuff through the eyes of natives, but so is slavery, the holocaust, etc...Point is, I think we've reconciled pretty well and are doing pretty good. Although it's important to no forget our history, that f*#king crap is not worthy of posting on the 4th. The 4th celebrates beating down and shooting Brits in the face, not Injuns!

Our initial colonization would be more appropriate of your OP. On a side note, I'd like to kick Ward Churchill in the teeth, FWIW!

Social climber
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:25pm PT
Let's ask my friend Lucy Parker.

Social climber
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:35pm PT
Ask Todd Gordon.

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:38pm PT
They got cool casinos probably, Wes.

If they don't they probably CHOOSE to live the native lifestyle, no?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:41pm PT

Happy 4th of July!

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:44pm PT
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

John Hancock

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

Monument Manor
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:45pm PT
Social Darwinism @ work. Wish I could open a casino.
ron gomez

Trad climber
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:48pm PT
Yeah John, Don't think many of us natives "celebrate" this as a holiday. But then again, I don't dwell on the past, doesn't do any good, look to the future and how you can make it better! Hope things are good with you, you gonna be around say the 3rd weekend in "you lie", I'm comin' up!
Peace bro!

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 4, 2009 - 04:53pm PT
You crack me up! You actually think that trading a sustainable lifestyle based on centuries of ancestral wisdom for genocide and "cool" casinos is reasonable.

FYI, the reservation land was chosen because it was the worst of the worst. The US Govt didn't put the natives there so they could "live a native life," they put them there to die

So what should we do, Wes, to reconcile the past? Just keep bitching and whining about how mean whitey is?

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jul 4, 2009 - 05:01pm PT
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all white men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The remnants of my wife's tribe are not celebrating today. Last month they held a summit with the remains of the Canadian half of their tribe (officially declared 'extinct' in Canada) to develop a long term strategy for mitigating the effects of progressively 'diminished' (stolen) reservation lands and the segregating affects of 49th parallel and new international travel laws on the tribe and families.

Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2009 - 05:02pm PT
No whining for me... I'm going to a special fouth of July baseball game...



Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 4, 2009 - 05:04pm PT
I think what a lot of you idiots fail to realize is that the BRITISH colonized this land and we kicked them out.

Then we kicked ass on Indians who were 'uncooperative' in our colonization.

Now, for all you stupid communist, minority sympythizers, what do you think would have happend to this continent (or the world) if we did not colonize and develop it the way we did?

Would it be a branch of China, Japan, or ze Germans? Would it have been better or worse?

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