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Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Jul 4, 2018 - 04:20pm PT
What does her shirt say?
Jim Clipper

Gym climber
from the ground up
Jul 5, 2018 - 08:10am PT
American Indians would have still, in all likelihood, faced violence and oppression absent American independence, just as First Nations people in Canada did. But American-scale ethnic cleansing wouldn't have occurred.

Maybe I'm a bit too contrarian. The British weren't colonial?

Instead of what could have happened, maybe what can be?

Currently, there is a migration of Indigenous, people, from Southern Mexico to the U.S. Actually, it has been occurring for the last 20+ years, in part due to NAFTA. Trump is talking about re-negotiating trade laws. I can imagine how that might work out for both corporations, and the poor. Corn power?!


Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 5, 2018 - 08:16am PT
What does her shirt say?

"This ain't NO @&#*%$# Weenie Roast"
Jim Clipper

Gym climber
from the ground up
Jul 5, 2018 - 10:20am PT
Thread drift alert:

What does her shirt say?

"Trump Care Makes US Sick" Romney care? I don't know if that is still a thing.

It looked like she was trying to mess with the sling wrapped around that big knob. Maybe she saw that it wasn't hitched.

If you need an anchor, build it proud.

Hope she's not called out on it. Finally, I don't know, but maybe Bachar would smile. He seemed to recognize the other side...

Jim Clipper

Gym climber
from the ground up
Jul 5, 2018 - 10:20am PT
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Jul 5, 2018 - 01:27pm PT


Social climber
Lida Junction
Jul 5, 2018 - 01:40pm PT

Jul 5, 2018 - 08:45am PT
I do not vest my pride in a flag, I eye those who wave them suspiciously. It seems those waving hardest pay homage to a false idol and desecrate the ideals for which we should really stand.

Good one Jebus.

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
May 21, 2019 - 06:58pm PT
This is John Bachar's last thread on ST July 4th, 2009, that he had just started before he passed away on July 5th, 2009 ...


Santa Ana
May 22, 2019 - 06:00am PT
bluering I am not a commie. Away from Stennard this issue discusses some of the first known violent acts of genocide against Native Americans. They committed the acts against themselves.
The US has admitted to a low estimate of 2000 and a high estimate of 6000 deaths of Native Americans during the Indian Relocation Act.

Native Americans and Religious persons of all races still practice genocide against themselves here in the US.

Populations have also decreased greatly here from disease. See Spanish Flu around WW2.

Now for JB, RIP.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
May 22, 2019 - 08:43am PT
Thanks for the bump Klimmer. John's final statement. A harsh reality to think about.

The last great accomplishment of mankind will be to adjust the injustice of the past.
Jim Clipper

May 22, 2019 - 09:19am PT
I'm sure it's different because many folks here knew Bachar as a friend, or at least were lucky enough to have some shared experiences with him. I just want to say that being able to read some of his stories and see a bit of his perspective here on the taco was really pretty special.

These days, it seems like some are more likely to try to monetize their "online presence", or at least seek more in return. Then again, maybe it was more about sharing memories among friends who were experienced.

2cents from a fan ... from the ground up.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
May 22, 2019 - 07:25pm PT
Don't lie.

May 30, 2019 - 02:20pm PT
... I'm a total free market capitalist by the way.

Well said, JB.

Mountain climber
May 31, 2019 - 11:07pm PT
I'm sure JB would appreciate the latest Alpinist story "magic line", about Lonnie Kauk and some of the history of the Ahwahneechee. Really enjoyable stories there.

Lonnie's mom, Lucy Parker is quoted
There's an old Indian camp at the Grand Canyon of the Tuolumne where the tribes would come from all four directions to trade with each other. And there are these writings down there, these pictographs all over this rock wall. Some of them are really high up. I remember the first time I saw them, I thought, How the heck? But I realized, they would've had to scale the wall. Our people were climbers, too
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