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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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just watched all 4 at one sitting- very intriguing.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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doubt is the natural reaction to have- I too feel this way. But I still would like to believe that it's possible... you know IF it is, then that would be huge...big if though.
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kimgraves
Trad climber
2 exits North of the Gunks
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All four parts:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
It is hard to believe that this is not staged - it looks like some manifistation of "the force." 35 years ago I was studying Tai Chi and was pushed like this by one of Cheng Man-Ch'ing's students. It wasn't as dramatic as this, but I too lost control of my body. It is not something you can see and believe. You have to experience it.
Best, Kim
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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I don't know if it's "faked" or not, but it never seems to work too well when the opponents aren't their students. Apparently the key to overcoming this voodoo, is to grab the old "master" by the arm, and then just start wailing on them. Even if it did work, I regret to say that guns, laser-guided missiles, and all that jazz would still be more effective.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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So how do two guys who both know Qigong fight eachother? I am picturing something akin to the battle between Egg Chien and Lo Pan in "Big Trouble in Little China" ... not making light, just trying to understand. More importantly, how can this relate to climbing? I climb a lot more frequently than I fight...
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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It probably looks a bit like this
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NMClimber
climber
New Mexico
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I find it odd that we all claim to be "open minded" and then see the reactions and hear the responses of people when they view something seemingly impossible. Then judgment is created that it is fake or staged.
It wasn't long ago that humans "believed" the earth was flat. Doctors believed to touch the heart muscle was a sin. People were burned alive because they were believed to be witches. It was claimed that no human could never run a mile under 4 minutes.
Quantum physics has proved that everything is made of energy. You, me, the rocks we climb on, the lap top I am typing on, EVERYTHING is energy. The human mind has the capability to ask energy to change, if we only knew how to ask.
These teachings date back to Socrates. "The Secret", the law of attraction, manifestation, Buddhism, Taoism, and even modern religion can be translated into these teachings.
Through out history, there have been many humans that have acquired or developed the skills to ask energy to change. Perhaps this gentleman has some of those skills.
How is it that a human can break stacks of bricks with just a hand? Every day someone does something that is thought to be "impossible". Will someone climb 5.17 someday? Is it possible?
Does your own thoughts of what is possible or impossible keep you from achieving or becoming something greater than what you are?
Tyler
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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I used to have a Qi kong meditiation tape, back in the Walkman day. Anyone have a favorite, mp3/iTunes/etal link?
Just watched the first of those clips, fascinating, but hard to accept. I remember watching a PBS show by Bill Moyers when he was in China. In it, they showed what must have been the same thing. Mr Moyers was clearly skeptical, but the participants professed their sincerity.
I wonder if anyone has attempted to use this in an academic seating. I have students who rebell, because they are contrary, not that it fills any purpose for them, quite the opposite. If I could get in their chi like the guy in that video, they could be more productive, and they would appreciate the benefits.
Thoughts, links, anyone?
and, that was pretty funny, Willoughby of the absent ankle.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2009 - 02:38pm PT
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Nice post Tyler. I agree. Everything is energy and we are only beginning to tap into the power of the mind.
One problem is that there are so many charlatans, so people are fooled and then they refuse to belief anything anymore. I once saw a demonstration similar to this video, though it was very short and the man was not as powerful. I am usually skeptical of most things, but I have learned to have an open mind.
Werner talks about the different types of people on this planet and how there is a warrior class. I don't necessarily believe that there are different classes of people, though I understand that we all have different talents. This man has taken his devotion to mastering energy and used it for self defense. Others may use their mastery for healing and others for creating a more beautiful world.
One of the keys, if you listened to the teacher talk as he was demonstrating, is that one must be without ego to wield this power and this is why our military has not been able to use this. Too many giant egos competing for power. Most folks on this planet are not yet ready to give up their egos. They still think that their egos give them something. I think that this video is just one more demonstration that giving up the ego is a positive step.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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I'm open-minded Tyler. That doesn't mean one can't be skeptical.
People have certainly definitely demonstrated brick-breaking in controlled circumstances, and the evidence is obvious. Either you end up with real broken bricks or not.
If this guy could repeat this using individuals other than his students, under controlled circumstances, with independent observers, then I'd be only too happy to believe.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2009 - 02:59pm PT
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That was not his students. This was a demonstration at a national symposium on martial arts. The person he used in the demonstration was a 3rd degree black belt in Karate who had a local school of his own, not devoted to Qigong, but to karate. By being part of the demonstration, he was basically shooting himself in the foot by showing that there was a higher way to be, though likely few will believe even what they see and so he will continue to have plenty of students because few want to give up their ego.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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If all is as it appears, he should have students, though they can see that there is a place for them to go after graduation...
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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I only watched the first few minutes of part 1.
If it's not faked, then it is more likely the result of hypnosis than energy fields.
It's interesting that he identifies the problems people have as stemming from people fantasizing about their future and being too absorbed or involved in their lives, but these are also the characteristics of people that are most hypnotizable: having an active fantasy life and having the ability to become deeply absorbed or interested in something and tune out other stimuli.
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WBraun
climber
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One can be beaten up without being so called physically touched and be hurt.
Just look at this forum for an easy example.
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J. Werlin
climber
Cedaredge
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Ding Ding! Round 1 goes to Locker.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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The Force is strong with this one...
I say, to settle this once and for all, put Qigong up against the current UFC heavyweight champ and see how he fares...if he can do it then, then I'll believe!
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Deal is, I really wanna have this be real. no matter what it looks like, Bill Moyers suggested that it could be real, and I tend to believe him. I'm interested in following up on that. If anyone can prove it wrong that is equally useful.
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WBraun
climber
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Then go see him Jaybro and slap him in the face, hurt him.
That will be honorable.
Talking about what's real and what isn't doesn't work on talk.
Even then he might reject you and do nothing. Test your sincerity.
A sincere man can step off the cliff and never hit the bottom ....
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