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scuffy b

climber
just below the San Andreas
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 4, 2009 - 05:46pm PT

wtf? did the Horse nuke the entire thread?
That had some great stuff in it.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Feb 4, 2009 - 06:10pm PT
You can only really nuke the first post. It could be searched and copied and posted here.

Don't have time myself today for it though

Peace

karl
scuffy b

climber
just below the San Andreas
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2009 - 06:14pm PT
salsa as a search word turns it up right away. The last post was
from Dingus at 3:00.
How do you copy a whole thread?
Those were a lot of awesome photos, etc.
Phantom X

Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
Feb 4, 2009 - 06:20pm PT
Thanks alot for wrecking another thread scuffy b. I asked a simple yes or no question and you have to go on and on like what seemed like forever with your big-worded smartypants answers that weren't even pertinent to the thread. I certainly can't blame the poor fellow, in fact what with some of the insensitive post, I'm surprised he didn't go postal like those trouble making Colorado kids did.(Grug and Tom, they worship Satan) I'm apologizing for everyone, even people who didn't post.
scuffy b

climber
just below the San Andreas
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2009 - 06:28pm PT
Hey, the Paranoid Horse nuked the thing before my long-winded
post chock full of big words even got posted!

However, I think I'm detecting a pattern.
Not many threads get eliminated unless you and I both post
to them.
So make sure you put some wonderful irreplaceable writing and
pictures in this one, so the freakin OP can nuke the thing.
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Feb 4, 2009 - 06:32pm PT
He nipped it.

In the bud.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Feb 4, 2009 - 06:33pm PT
Nipped the thread?



in the bud.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Feb 4, 2009 - 06:33pm PT
I guess we know who the chipper is now though....

DMT
Phantom X

Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
Feb 4, 2009 - 06:43pm PT
Citizens arrest, citizens arrest!
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
Feb 4, 2009 - 06:50pm PT
Hmmm... So what happens if I.........

edit: Wow! What a mess!

Here's the link - http://supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=777688&msg=779179#msg779179
crazy horse

Trad climber
seattle, wa
Feb 4, 2009 - 06:53pm PT
let me get this straight. I delete the thread because i think it's lame to talk about salsa, chipping, etc. when i want to talk about climbing and that means i chip holds. I've never chipped, but what good does it do to say it, sounds like everyone has already made up their mind.

It just so happens that i do know who has chipped in the area, which route, which sections etc. and i think it's a complete waste of time to pursue talking about it. The whole point of doing so would be to castigate the person as if everyone else is so freaking ethically pure. i don't believe in that.

I've put up ~50 routes in the area, and i'd be happy to go climbing with anybody from anywhere, any time i'm in the area on any of the routes i've put in and y'all can have a look for yourself. I'll even take you to the chipped routes if you want. Just so everybody knows, before we 'settle it in the parking lot'...what we're talking about here, seriously there's like 10 chipped holds in probably 200 routes. That's the size of the Jardine Traverse!!

matt schutz
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Phantom X

Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
Feb 4, 2009 - 06:56pm PT
Yeah, now we know who the chipper is! Hey, before I heat up the tar, it's the butcher at Raley's isn't it? My second choice would be the waitress at El Cids where they serve very good watered down salsa, but not as good as the unwatered down salsa of yore. Next would have to be Ernest T. Bass. He does this kinda work as a professional. The locals have named a lake after him!
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
Feb 4, 2009 - 07:00pm PT
Heya, Matt. See what happens when you post totally anonymously? haha :) I know your routes are legit, and I'll go climb them with you. Are you back in the area?

But, when chipping comes up, that's kinda the way it's gonna go here, not cause "everyone else is so freaking ethically pure", but because most people don't chip holds and most can agree on this one ethical thing as being a HUGE no-no (for a change). It's quite a bit different from arguing about bolts, etc...

For the record, it's usually referred to as the Jardine Travesty and a huge shameful blemish on the face of the proudest stone around. All caused by one selfish guy. Shameful bummer.

--Ran (I believe you have my number)

edit - for the record, Matt's not out chipping holds.
crazy horse

Trad climber
seattle, wa
Feb 4, 2009 - 07:04pm PT
sure, nobody thinks the chipped holds should be there, and yet everyone who is trying to free the nose has used them. So what's the message? is it 'lets not do it, unless it's in a spot that's on a route that alot of people want to free'? then it's okay? I'm not saying it's okay, and i don't believe in it at all. All i'm saying is let's not judge, since if you were trying to free the nose, you'd probably use those holds too. Afterall, Jardine did alot for the sport, and for that he's got alot of my respect
Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 4, 2009 - 07:15pm PT
I delete the thread because i think it's lame to talk about salsa, chipping, etc. when i want to talk about climbing

Matt,

You can start a thread, but you don't own it. You can light the campfire, but others who are standing around are gonna throw on a log.

I was kind of enjoying the conversation branching out. I mean, I chuckled at the salsa and the beard nets and I got sucked into some sarcasm and I blew it and others were cool with me and we went on. And I learned a lot about an area I'm very fond of, as you are, and I got a glimpse of some folks who are really active there, including you.

For years I have wondered who else has been working the place and what they are like, as people. Thanks to your thread I've been finding out not only a bunch about the unreported routes out there, but also how people who matter cuz they are activists feel about guidebooks, chipping and, yes, even the local salsa and margs.

I was just getting warmed up at that campfire. Please don't piss on it.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
Feb 4, 2009 - 07:15pm PT
Just sayin' that this is the wrong crowd to try to preach that to... I'm hopin' you're not going to try to say he invented cams, `cause that's gonna get people fired up right away here. If so, don't. You'll just trash the thread in which you were trying' to get info and climbing partners in. Best to leave the valley history to the valley folks.

So, are you lookin' to climb or just spewin'? Seriously. You said you were lookin' to climb and blew over everything else I said.

edit: "I've been finding out not only a bunch about the unreported routes out there, but also how people who matter cuz they are activists feel about guidebooks, chipping and, yes, even the local salsa and margs. "

Don't forget the hot waitress, Doug! Sheesh! Now who's keepin' the thread on track!
Phantom X

Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
Feb 4, 2009 - 07:17pm PT
Didn't Ray Jardine sport a big beard?
scuffy b

climber
just below the San Andreas
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2009 - 07:18pm PT
Crazy Horse, the important issue here is that the thread got
deleted.
Somebody made a remark about the "identity" of the chipper.
That does not mean AT ALL that anybody actually believes you
to be the chipper.

The thread was filled (I mean, "contained") many wonderful posts
with information generally unavailable to the denizens of this
Forum. Many posters coughed up unbelievable content.

Deleting the thread because you don't like people to talk about
salsa...or you don't like people to joke around...you took
things from everybody that reads these threads.

I don't give a rat's ass about the identity of the chipper.
I'm glad to hear that the problem is smaller than it could be.

Deleting threads is like burning books.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Feb 4, 2009 - 07:20pm PT
Kinda disrespectful to nuke a thread that people had put effort into typing and posting images too. Better luck next time, we all make mistakes.

Who chipped? It was the butler in the sitting room with a candlestick?

Peace

karl
scuffy b

climber
just below the San Andreas
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2009 - 07:21pm PT
Hey Randy,

on your link I don't seem to be able to post a reply.
Do you know if there's a way to revive the thread, not just
see it as an artifact?
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