the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:02pm PT
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Pretty much all religions are self serving schemes to one degree or another. Scientology just happens to be more blatant. At least there's no Scientology Fundamentalists blowing sh#t up.
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Sewellymon
climber
.....in a single wide......
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:03pm PT
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Chaz asked, "Can anyone who has a beef with Scientology tell us what's wrong with it, in your own words.."
Here is my story. 1980- was 23. Flew up from LA to Davis to interview for a job at UC Davis. I was supposed to have a place to stay for the night B4 I bussed over to Yosemite for a few weeks. Did the interview, but the place to stay fell through. Did not know what to do, so I did some buildering on campus to kill time. Fellow student chatting me up while I scale walls. He says he thinks he’s got a couch I can stay on.
Turns out to be his Scientology mentor's house and couch.. .
...and before I get to lay my head to pillow, I had to sit through a 2 hour Intro-to-Scientology session that evening. Mildly stimulating at best. OK- I want to go catch some zzzzz’s. Except- they would NOT let me be until I dropped $15 for their intro book. Communication- the book is titled. This their first step towards an enlighted self. Communicate well with others. Uh-huh.
Except i was staying in Yosemite and Tuolumne for 2 weeks, and needed every cent I had. I fought hard to keep my greenbacks, but was no match for their relentless mental arm-twisting. I ponied up the $15, got a safe night’s sleep, plus a ride to the bus station.
I actually perused the book a little while in Tuolumne. I mentioned it (and Scientology) to Randy Vogel, and he snapped me back to reality. Told me in no uncertain terms that Scientology was absolute bullsh*t. I knew this, but was already mildly under the spell. Never looked back, but I sure remember that taste of relentless mental arm-twisting.
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Dingus Milktoast
climber
NorCal
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:05pm PT
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No FET they have them too!
The Fundy Scientologists allow their members to marry mulitple aliens.
DMT
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:07pm PT
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Might be fun to watch them shag their alien spouses.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:15pm PT
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OK... So this thread got me to reading about Scientology, to see what the deal is. All I can say is what a f*#king fruit loop! Anyone who follows him/believes in this crap is a f*#king fruit loop too. Wow!
At least we can take solace in the fact that they are fruity enough that the handing out of the Koolaid should be soon and they'll all be dead.
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:19pm PT
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AbeFrohman
Trad climber
new york, NY
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:24pm PT
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"Church, cult; cult, church. Whats the difference? Just another way to be bored on a Sunday."
-Bart Simpson
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:40pm PT
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Brainwashing and Mind Control Methods
Relaxation, sleep depravation, meditation creates a higher state of suggestibility.
love bombing
acceptance/belonging
rewards
Diet that has no protein, removes the ability to reason and use logic. (Self think.)
Isolation within cult
financial commitment
dependancy
Removal from their former life; new name/location, status...
group pressure
uncompromising rules
Etc.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:41pm PT
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It never stops amazing me how people can make broad sweeping statements on topics they know absolutely nothing about.
Wait, thats ther definition of an internet forum, sorry.
There are volumes of good info there, can anybody explain one of the millions of concepts?
I did not think so.
But this is the norm, so don't worry.
No, I am not a Scientologist.
Just someone with an open mind.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:42pm PT
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What, pray tell, is "love bombing,"
and where do I sign?
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:46pm PT
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RE:
" All I can say is what a f*#king fruit loop! Anyone who follows him/believes in this crap is a f*#king fruit loop too. Wow!"
amazing isn't it?
you gotta read Eric Hoffer/True Believer -
all about fanaticism and mass movements;
a tiny book it explains so much in language
for everyone.
For instance, I feel we are in the "middle"
of the biggest and most powerful mass movement
ever, it's called Consumerism; so omnipresent
and woven into the fabric of American culture as be
*almost* invisible...
Fanatics = scary people.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:49pm PT
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Thanks, Sewellymon.
That told me more than anything so far.
Does Scientology have anything to do with *EST* (Werner Erhard's hustle)?
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:49pm PT
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Dr. Rock,
L. Ron Hubbard Jr." is my expert. If you happen to be part of this religion, then get use to me calling it a cult. This link is L. Ron Hubbard Jr.'s take on his Dad's creation.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html
You do know that practicing Scientology is banned in Greece, France, Germany and the United Kingdom.
AF
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 18, 2008 - 12:51pm PT
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"For instance, I feel we are in the "middle"
of the biggest and most powerful mass movement
ever, it's called Consumerism; so omnipresent
and woven into the fabric of American culture as be
*almost* invisible... "
Interesting thought.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
up Yonder (the edge of Treason)
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Sep 18, 2008 - 01:38pm PT
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Maybe Scientology is ok...I dunno....I just don't need any more cults around. I mean,Boise is already overrun with Mormons, fer crying out loud...
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weschrist
Gym climber
left sac
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Sep 18, 2008 - 03:50pm PT
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It is almost as absurd as "Christian Science."
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Sep 18, 2008 - 04:03pm PT
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Its almost as bad as "Science."
The world isn't 10,000 years old, YARIGHT! Idiots.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
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Sep 18, 2008 - 04:14pm PT
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More than anything, it kind of reminds me of the Heaven's Gate kooks! Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll find Tom and clan in the hotel in Clearwater, "waiting for the aliens".... You can never have too many cult mass-suicides... hahaha
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Nunya, America
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Sep 18, 2008 - 06:02pm PT
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Arrrrgh! Avast there, & belay that Foolharrrdiness!
Yaarrrrrr......
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