And WHY DONíT CLIMBERS RESPECT OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM??

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Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 27, 2017 - 08:48pm PT
After dinner tonight, Heidi mentioned she was at a small party last week, where a male friend of her sister asked, what bothers you the most? He then launched into a minor speech about how upset he was with NFL players kneeling during our national anthem.

Heidi replied that she doesnít follow pro-football & doesnít care about what NFL players do.

The guy didnít catch a clue and told her & other nearby friends all about his feelings on ďthose peopleĒ not respecting our flag & those who had served under it.

When he finished his speech & looked around for support, Heidi leaned in and said: ďI suppose you believe that is covered in our U.S. Constitution?Ē

He changed the subject, but it isnít.

However, since I am a patriot & a Republican, I find myself currently bothered that the strange fellow who claims to be our president is upset about NFL players not standing & respecting our flag at football games while many other athletic events disrespect our flag & need to change, so their attendees can be great patriots like the rest of us, that do respect our flag.

From a CNN article on the subject: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/nfl-national-anthem-trump-kaepernick-history-trnd/index.html

The anthem kicks off every NFL, MLB, NBA, MLS and NHL game featuring an American team, and is played before every NASCAR race.
Of course flag-respect should be rewarded in our great country, and it is with our tax dollars!

ďIn 2015, a Senate report released by Senators John McCain and Jeff Flake poured cold water on some of the more heartwarming moments of patriotism seen in professional sports.
The report found the Department of Defense had spent $6.8 million on what they called "paid patriotism" between 2012 and 2015. This money was spread out among 50 pro teams from the NFL, NBA, MLB, NASCAR, MLS and others.
In exchange for the money, teams organized displays of national pride including flag presentations, the honoring of military members, reenlistment ceremonies, and even the most unassailable and uplifting of patriotic moments: surprise military homecomings.Ē

However, a surprising number of athletic events in our wonderful country disrespect our great flag & our president, by not playing OUR National Anthem before events.

On my list of events needing to be disciplined by Trump are:

Track meets
Swim meets
Ski races
Boxing & wrestling matches
Horse Races
Dog Races
Poker games
Chess matches
Beauty pageants

And what can climbers do, you ask?

I suggest that every significant lead should only start after OUR National Anthem is played, sang, hummed, or whistled, by all in attendance.

Certainly, large big-wall or alpine climbs should start with OUR National Anthem.

Or?? Do you hate America?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 27, 2017 - 08:52pm PT
I'm offended by American flag chalk bags.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 27, 2017 - 08:59pm PT
Youíre onto something Fritz. Climbers need to consider which side their bread is buttered on. BD woke up and brought cam production back to the home land. Climbers need to stop going to third world countries like Pakistan, India, Nepal and Peru and dropping greenbacks on people who donít know what Nascar is.
Nativisim is the new norm...climb at home and for Godís sake learn the f*#king National Anthem!
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:02pm PT
Jim, if you are selling your house in Patagonia, I might be interested. ;-)
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:07pm PT
So overwhelmingly white men own football clubs in which about 70% of the players are black.
The white men have control over the black men.
The black men kneel while the white owner stands.

zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:08pm PT
Some ways back, in junior and senior high school, a bell would sound daily and everybody had to freeze in their tracks and pledge allegiance to the flag.

It appears to have worked since nobody I'm aware of defected to Cuba.

In fact three of my friends went to Annapolis.

What I'm wondering is, were we supposed to get paid?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:08pm PT
Fritz, every time an American Team reaches the summit of a large alpine peak there should be a rendition of the American National Anthem broadcast to The World At Large by the Conquering Heroes.

And why not work in a fly-over, as well, weather permitting?
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:12pm PT
The linked report has been removed.

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/12de6dcb-d8d8-4a58-8795-562297f948c1/tackling-paid-patriotism-oversight-report.pdf
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2017 - 09:14pm PT
I'm happy to be in a community of like-minded Patriots here on ST & MFM thoughts are well worth repeating1

Fritz, every time an American Team reaches the summit of a large alpine peak there should be a rendition of the American National Anthem broadcast to The World At Large by the Conquering Heroes.

And why not work in a fly-over, as well, weather permitting?
L

climber
And I'm searchin' for waterspouts...
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
This brings up a point I've always been curious about: Why do we sing the national anthem before so many sporting events?

I mean, seriously...think about it. What's the motivation for that display? Sporting event. Patriotism. Am I missing a correlation there?

If anyone has a rational answer, please let me know. Thanks.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:21pm PT
I remember saying it as a kid and thinking, "Do we really have liberty and justice for all, or just some liberty, some of the time, for some people?"
WBraun

climber
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:21pm PT
Why do we sing the national anthem before so many sporting events?

If you don't why then you are dead stone.

Americans have become dead stone .....
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:23pm PT
Well see you have this big crowd of people, and singing the anthem brings a feeling of unity.

Oh wait...

Nevermind. What was I thinking?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:24pm PT
This brings up a point I've always been curious about: Why do we sing the national anthem before so many sporting events?

I mean, seriously...think about it. What's the motivation for that display? Sporting event. Patriotism. Am I missing a correlation there?

If anyone has a rational answer, please let me know. Thanks.

L, I believe that sports are a metaphor for the warrior mentality
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2017 - 09:24pm PT
L my ST friend! Per your comment:

If anyone has a rational answer, please let me know. Thanks.

This is not a rational thread, this is a Patriotic thread!
L

climber
And I'm searchin' for waterspouts...
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:30pm PT
If you don't why then you are dead stone.

That's not a reason, Werner. That's your excuse for not knowing yourself.

Try a little harder to give me a rational reason, please.

Thanks.

(This isn't a joke....this is a question relating to the way we've all been programmed.)
L

climber
And I'm searchin' for waterspouts...
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:31pm PT
This is not a rational thread, this is a Patriotic thread!

Thank you, Fritz!

There's my answer!
WBraun

climber
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:33pm PT
No excuse.

I know.

You should find out why.

It's not obvious at all.

It's very difficult to understand.

It's extremely difficult to understand.

Everyone wants an easy way out .....
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:34pm PT
Take out any form of nationalism at professional sporting events. No flag, no anthem, no prayer. Ridiculous carryover from earlier times. It's all about $$$$ and collective ego.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 27, 2017 - 09:49pm PT
Nationalism ~ a product of rationalism or not ~ discuss.

I'm adjourning for some Red White & Blue wine from Napa Valley I found at Grocery Outlet. $4.00 a box ain't all that cheap.
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