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steve shea

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 3, 2015 - 08:00am PT
NY federal judge nullified NFL discipline. No due process.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Sep 3, 2015 - 08:02am PT
Guess his wife will stay with him
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Sep 3, 2015 - 08:13am PT
He makes $100 mil and gets due process while the average schmuck has no recourse to disipline at work.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Sep 3, 2015 - 08:33am PT
Justice served !!!!!!

If the NFL has a spec on the air pressure of the balls.... its the Officals JOB to check for legal balls....

Did I just write "legal balls"?????


The commissioner needs to work on getting Los Angles a NEW football team..... and not paving the way for the crummy rams to return to their ancestral home..... or the crummy looser raiders.... or the cheap, hostage holding owner of the chargers....

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Sep 3, 2015 - 08:37am PT
Though I consider the Pats cheaters and always will and am convinced that the air pressure was doctored and that Brady knew what was going on i believe the Goodell in his standard way screwed this one up and thus deserves to look the fool.

As far as a new LA team give the Raidahs a chance. They probably have the offensive rookie of the year and have a good QB to throw him the ball. And it would appear the current Davis regime will let management take care of personnel decisions. They might be an 8-8 team this year.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 3, 2015 - 08:44am PT
We have enough gangs in LA, we don't need the Raiders, too.
10b4me

Social climber
Sep 3, 2015 - 08:47am PT

We have enough gangs in LA, we don't need the Raiders, too.

+1
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Sep 3, 2015 - 09:17am PT
We have enough gangs in LA, we don't need the Raiders, too.

+2 .......


bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 3, 2015 - 10:54am PT
Raiders went back to LA? Ah- I see it's just Nature's suggestion. Either way, would be good to see them have some success again. As far as Brady goes, a big whatever seems appropriate. The commish's 4 game suspension was over the top but, yes, someone should have carried around a pressure gauge (I suppose). Colts only lost by 30 or so... outcome could have been different.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 3, 2015 - 10:55am PT
Although the judges ruling was about how unfair the arbitration process was, a side benefit was the procedures exposed a lot of bullshit in the NFLs handling of this sorry affair. No real evidence. Lies and vindictive behavior from the league proven. The "independent" investigation wasn't.

But really look back at the claims they were trying to make, it's ridiculous.

 Brady wanted the ballboy to deflate the balls only some of the time? Only home games. Only when the ballboy wasn't accompanied by an official which they said was most of the time. What's more important consistency or sometimes letting <~0.5 psi out?

 the report says the pats balls were .6 to .8 psi lower than the colts balls, depending on which gauge was used, but they don't know... But the report doesn't clearly say how much the colts balls would have gone up considering they were measured after the pats balls giving them time to warm up and they were drier. Were the pats balls even and more "deflated" than the colts? They conveniently ignored this. Exponent the consulting company used for analysis has a history of aiding corporate denialism.

 the text message show the ballboy struggling to get Tom Brady to sign a few things. If Tom Brady was depending on this guys secrecy in a ball deflating scheme would he make it difficult for him to get a few things signed?

People will continue to claim they cheated, but there is no evidence they did. Wrongly accusing someone is lame like cheating is. They have a term for this in New England. Witch Hunt.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 3, 2015 - 11:03am PT
The LA situation is another example of the bullshit from the league. They allow teams to hold the public hostage for tax dollars to build stadiums for private companies that make billions.

The current fans don't want to see any of their teams leave.

The league is not great because of the current owners and league office. It's because of men like Walter Camp, Pop Warner, and Johnny Unitas who developed American Football into the great spectator sport it is.

What the league has done for its success is to effectivly be a monopoly by forcing other leagues out of business or merging with them.
Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Sep 3, 2015 - 04:14pm PT
Eff the NFL, all inane commentary with occasional action. Mostly just a drinking game masquerading as a sport.

Eff baseball, see above..

Eff soccer floppers, ruins an otherwise admirable game. Womens soccer is actually better of watch IMO.

Eff fandom. Be proud of your own achievements, not those of a group of surrogates.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Sep 3, 2015 - 11:12pm PT
For myself, I'm glad to see the NFL in shambles, even tho they have had great athletes/ personalities throughout the years -- there's far too much BS now that outweighs even historical consideration. The spousal abuse, deflate gate -- Jerry Rice using stickum, to name a few.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 4, 2015 - 08:47am PT
The league is not great because of the current owners and league office. It's because of men like Walter Camp, Pop Warner, and Johnny Unitas who developed American Football into the great spectator sport it is.

Exactly true. The current powers in the NFL stepped in it big time. Now it's a certain bunch in the league offices and their consultants and lawyers whose rear ends are currently on the chopping block.This is what they get for responding disproportionately to what really amounts to politically-motivated pressure and criticisms from relatively small groups--- rather than to the general fan base who pay the rent. They thought they had a whipping boy in Brady because he fits a certain stereotype in the minds of the politically correct.
If the league doesn't unload some of the key actors in this debacle then this kind of stuff will continue.

Brady was not going to play along. He gave the dummies more than one opportunity to reverse course and yet still they continued.
Brady played it like a competitor and beat their asses.

As far as the NFL being somehow massively damaged by all of this-- show me their bottom $ line at the end of this coming season.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 4, 2015 - 08:52am PT
Yeah, they're laughing all the way to the bank.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 4, 2015 - 09:09am PT
The poll of nfl fans I saw said:

54% think Brady cheated
63% support 4 game suspension
85% think other teams cheat too

One takeaway for me, looking at those poll results, is that of my group of human nfl fans who have made football the most popular sport in the U.S., 1 in 10 support Brady's 4 game suspension while believing that he didn't cheat.

In the contest of brain power between the fans and the nfl, it doesn't seem to me like we fans are winning :-)
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 4, 2015 - 10:36am PT
Brain power....football fans. Gotta stop using.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 4, 2015 - 11:31am PT
I grew up not really watching sports. My grandpa was a die hard sports fan who spent hours in "his" chair watching baseball, etc. I didn't get it.

As I got older I learned to appreciate spectator sports. It's not mutually exclusive with doing your own things. And plenty of people like my grandpa are too old or have too much free time to spend it all doing their own sports/activities. They like the excitement and camaraderie of following spectator sports.

I went to one NHL game with my dad when I won tickets at the boy scouts. I vividly remember that night and had a great time. That was the only pro sports event we went to. Now I take my boys to a fair amount of games. Often just our local minor league teams, but it's super fun and affordable.

The more I've learned about football the more I appreciate it. How it developed from early rugby football. How it's a uniquely north American game. The strategies, some spanning years, to put together a competitive team. The matchups and strategies that are adjusted during games. And sometimes the instant decisions and athletic performances that can change the outcome of the season like the interception ending the last super bowl.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 4, 2015 - 02:53pm PT
Yea I agree. Our relationship with the whole human psycho drama of sports and competition and our black and white judgments about good and bad for both players and fans .. it's pretty entertaining stuff. I used to be a big cycling fan and then the continuing ongoing never ending legacy of doping and cheating and all the other human stuff that goes on in and out of sports ... I think that you can accept it you, you can reject it, or you can float somewhere in between. But that last one, our brains just aren't very comfortable doing that.

So now, with my role as the dad of my daughter affecting my perspective, I find that Serena Williams is my favorite professional athlete ever! Twenty years ago I never would have expected that :-) But I think when it comes down to it our fandom or nonfandom are just subject to the same human dispositions and beliefs and behaviors that the players display.
overwatch

climber
Sep 4, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
Professional sports makes me sick and so do the weirdos that worship them
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