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steve shea
climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 3, 2015 - 08:00am PT
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NY federal judge nullified NFL discipline. No due process.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Guess his wife will stay with him
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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He makes $100 mil and gets due process while the average schmuck has no recourse to disipline at work.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Justice served !!!!!!
If the NFL has a spec on the air pressure of the balls.... its the Officals JOB to check for legal balls....
Did I just write "legal balls"?????
The commissioner needs to work on getting Los Angles a NEW football team..... and not paving the way for the crummy rams to return to their ancestral home..... or the crummy looser raiders.... or the cheap, hostage holding owner of the chargers....
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Though I consider the Pats cheaters and always will and am convinced that the air pressure was doctored and that Brady knew what was going on i believe the Goodell in his standard way screwed this one up and thus deserves to look the fool.
As far as a new LA team give the Raidahs a chance. They probably have the offensive rookie of the year and have a good QB to throw him the ball. And it would appear the current Davis regime will let management take care of personnel decisions. They might be an 8-8 team this year.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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We have enough gangs in LA, we don't need the Raiders, too.
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10b4me
Social climber
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We have enough gangs in LA, we don't need the Raiders, too.
+1
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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We have enough gangs in LA, we don't need the Raiders, too.
+2 .......
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Raiders went back to LA? Ah- I see it's just Nature's suggestion. Either way, would be good to see them have some success again. As far as Brady goes, a big whatever seems appropriate. The commish's 4 game suspension was over the top but, yes, someone should have carried around a pressure gauge (I suppose). Colts only lost by 30 or so... outcome could have been different.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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The LA situation is another example of the bullshit from the league. They allow teams to hold the public hostage for tax dollars to build stadiums for private companies that make billions.
The current fans don't want to see any of their teams leave.
The league is not great because of the current owners and league office. It's because of men like Walter Camp, Pop Warner, and Johnny Unitas who developed American Football into the great spectator sport it is.
What the league has done for its success is to effectivly be a monopoly by forcing other leagues out of business or merging with them.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Eff the NFL, all inane commentary with occasional action. Mostly just a drinking game masquerading as a sport.
Eff baseball, see above..
Eff soccer floppers, ruins an otherwise admirable game. Womens soccer is actually better of watch IMO.
Eff fandom. Be proud of your own achievements, not those of a group of surrogates.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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For myself, I'm glad to see the NFL in shambles, even tho they have had great athletes/ personalities throughout the years -- there's far too much BS now that outweighs even historical consideration. The spousal abuse, deflate gate -- Jerry Rice using stickum, to name a few.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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The league is not great because of the current owners and league office. It's because of men like Walter Camp, Pop Warner, and Johnny Unitas who developed American Football into the great spectator sport it is.
Exactly true. The current powers in the NFL stepped in it big time. Now it's a certain bunch in the league offices and their consultants and lawyers whose rear ends are currently on the chopping block.This is what they get for responding disproportionately to what really amounts to politically-motivated pressure and criticisms from relatively small groups--- rather than to the general fan base who pay the rent. They thought they had a whipping boy in Brady because he fits a certain stereotype in the minds of the politically correct.
If the league doesn't unload some of the key actors in this debacle then this kind of stuff will continue.
Brady was not going to play along. He gave the dummies more than one opportunity to reverse course and yet still they continued.
Brady played it like a competitor and beat their asses.
As far as the NFL being somehow massively damaged by all of this-- show me their bottom $ line at the end of this coming season.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Yeah, they're laughing all the way to the bank.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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The poll of nfl fans I saw said:
54% think Brady cheated
63% support 4 game suspension
85% think other teams cheat too
One takeaway for me, looking at those poll results, is that of my group of human nfl fans who have made football the most popular sport in the U.S., 1 in 10 support Brady's 4 game suspension while believing that he didn't cheat.
In the contest of brain power between the fans and the nfl, it doesn't seem to me like we fans are winning :-)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Brain power....football fans. Gotta stop using.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I grew up not really watching sports. My grandpa was a die hard sports fan who spent hours in "his" chair watching baseball, etc. I didn't get it.
As I got older I learned to appreciate spectator sports. It's not mutually exclusive with doing your own things. And plenty of people like my grandpa are too old or have too much free time to spend it all doing their own sports/activities. They like the excitement and camaraderie of following spectator sports.
I went to one NHL game with my dad when I won tickets at the boy scouts. I vividly remember that night and had a great time. That was the only pro sports event we went to. Now I take my boys to a fair amount of games. Often just our local minor league teams, but it's super fun and affordable.
The more I've learned about football the more I appreciate it. How it developed from early rugby football. How it's a uniquely north American game. The strategies, some spanning years, to put together a competitive team. The matchups and strategies that are adjusted during games. And sometimes the instant decisions and athletic performances that can change the outcome of the season like the interception ending the last super bowl.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Yea I agree. Our relationship with the whole human psycho drama of sports and competition and our black and white judgments about good and bad for both players and fans .. it's pretty entertaining stuff. I used to be a big cycling fan and then the continuing ongoing never ending legacy of doping and cheating and all the other human stuff that goes on in and out of sports ... I think that you can accept it you, you can reject it, or you can float somewhere in between. But that last one, our brains just aren't very comfortable doing that.
So now, with my role as the dad of my daughter affecting my perspective, I find that Serena Williams is my favorite professional athlete ever! Twenty years ago I never would have expected that :-) But I think when it comes down to it our fandom or nonfandom are just subject to the same human dispositions and beliefs and behaviors that the players display.
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overwatch
climber
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Professional sports makes me sick and so do the weirdos that worship them
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