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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I like what you are trying to do here, CMac, taping a reply.
This is a more personal and positive approach than making one sit and stare at the computer trying not to fall asleep while reading your well-meant responses.
Forum decorum simply should stem from "owning" it ourselves. We are responsible and when we step out of whatever bounds may displease in whatever way whomever, then the hammer is to be expected.
When someone like Khanom (and several others) voluntarily splits because of the rancor, it is just a crying shame.
I could blame the mysterious "McCown" and his stealing of "foreign bandwidth," but that's just negativity. You have one of those electronic gadgets doing the "subtles," huh??
Click the subtitle thingie and check that out, guys.
Good stuff here, folks.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue
-Barry
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Good stuff Chris. Thanks for taking the time to share some of your thoughts.
Must be tough babysitting adults. But I appreciate the forum in all its weirdness and dysfunctionality. Hoping for years of trip reports and stoke and laughs. I just hope Hankster comes back.
Scott
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Thanks, Chris.
Did you ever address that post you started, talking about splitting the forum into climbing stuff and non-climbing stuff?
You guys remember that post? Did Chris ever respond?
Chris - I was kind of pissed you wrote that post, and 300 replies later, not one word of response from you. Please tell me you responded, and if not, please do.
Maybe someone can provide a link?
Cheers, eh?
Pete Zabrok
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Thanks Chris, I've been here since 2006 and at this point checking Supertopo has become routine, like looking into facebook or getting my mail from the street. I think a lot of users of this site would benefit greatly from looking at it from another perspective and understanding what goes on in moderating a site like this. As per Pete, not all comments warrant replies - I've found in the little bit of forum board management I've done when a message needs to be put out, you just can't answer every single semantic thrown back. Laissez Faire is my style and the one I'm comfortable with.
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LearningTrad
Trad climber
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Look, I don't want to get all meta on you guys, but...
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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I don't have any problem with abusive people being banned from Supertopo, especially if they've been previously warned. What I have problems with is the destruction of all of their contributions which include a lot of historical material.
RJ promised us after the deletion of Dr. F's threads that this would not happen anymore and yet it just did. RJ also promised us that he would try to restore some of those threads but that also never happened. Several people working in high tech fields have offered to help with the programming so that offensive people and their posts can be removed without destroying the continuity of threads and that also has never happened.
It's not surprising then that many people have become cynical about this site and many have left voluntarily.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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what Jan said...
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Yup. What Big Mike said about what Jan said.
Susan
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Oh yeah. I agree with Jan, Mike and Seagoat. Ban the player, not their game.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Me too!
But, I also appreciate Chris' response. I e-mailed him today.
I think they are trying their hardest to take a hands off approach to this stuff. Can we self regulate???? As climbers prefer to do.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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People demand moderation and when they get it they don't like it.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Meta Meta post about Meta not getting meta in reference to a meta post about the subject at hand.
See what I did there?
Munge make more boring post.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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If I would have to go I would want my stuff to go to. If it is gonna stay I would want to know that too.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, chris...
thank you so very much for taking extra time to
'talk to folks' ... many times, computers can't convey
the emotional-out-reach, needed, when addressing issue,
or sharing ones ideas... a video, is that extra touch,
for proper communication, :)
thank you again... :)
thank you for your forum... i've learned more here, than i ever would
have without in help and info here, from so very many...
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Rankin
Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
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Hi Chris, thanks for being an adult in a room full of children. I appreciate your efforts to keep Supertopo civil, informative, and inspiring.
-Neil
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Yep, what Susan & Big Mike agreed with Jan about.
Huh?
Anyway, what those folks said. It's right on.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I am curious, though, about what the rationale is around deleting the content of banned users ...has anyone explained this? Is it about copyright or plagiarism issues (or something like that)? Or something else?
I don't have criticisms about it, really, though some of the concerns voiced around leaving historical threads unreadable seems valid. I'm just curious as to how this impacts ST.
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