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karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 31, 2013 - 10:14am PT
Spread awareness about the captivity of whales and dolphins to eventually lead to the public making the choices that can end this cruelty.

Mission
END THE CAPTIVITY OF WHALES AND DOLPHINS IN ALL PARKS/AQUARIUMS ACROSS THE GLOBE.

The captivity of dolphins and whales is a sad and disturbing practice found across the world. For anyone who takes the time to look, it becomes clear this is an unnecessary and cruel act by people. These highly intelligent animals are taken from their families and forced into a life of servitude. What can you do? Spread the world; help educate people about the truth. Not supporting aquariums and parks that hold marine life is also the most basic thing you can do to help end this. Just like any business, if they don't make money they will fail. Raise your voice for those who have had theirs stolen.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 10:24am PT


The argument is going to be that the animals on display help educate the general public and through doing so, helps the animals, so on and so forth...

On one hand I get the idea of some animals being displayed/"Sacrificed" so that people may learn...

But then there's that part about seeing the poor animals stuck in some for sh!t situation NOT of their choosing...



I have mixed feelings on the subject...


karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 10:38am PT
Captive whales and dolphins have been trained to perform tricks, day after day, for food as a reward instead of behaving naturally. When not performing, they are often kept in holding tanks smaller than show pools. Confining animals together that may not get on can result in stress and aggression with no possible escape.


We have no right to put these amazing creatures in captivity. Captive whale and dolphin shows are not education, or conservation; stress and disturbing behaviour is common amongst dolphins displayed in dolphinaria. Captivity is all about making money.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 31, 2013 - 10:43am PT
But then there's that part about seeing the poor animals stuck in some for sh!t situation NOT of their choosing...

and THAT is the problem with ZOOZ



locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 10:47am PT

"We have no right to put these amazing creatures in captivity.".


Technically speaking, I think we do in fact have the "RIGHT" to put the animals in zoos and such...

But that of course doesn't necessarily make it RIGHT...

Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Dec 31, 2013 - 10:55am PT
i finally broke out of the steel-reinforced-concrete wall
that god had built all around me.
her intent was to cage me within my own fear,
that is what she does best,
but i prevailed with enduring fortitude
and courage and now im
free of her confines but
now i realize she's on the other side of the
wall too, and that the cage is everywhere,
there is no escape, no liberty.
and i must maintain my resistance to her
advances if i'm ever to entertain the
life that i genetically inherrited.

so i will remain steadfast in my
lifelong goal to deny gods any place within my heart.

even if those dolphins and whales be free within the sea,
we have them by the throat, regardless.

thebravecowboy

Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Dec 31, 2013 - 10:57am PT
I am not against the flogging of the dolphin.
Captivity, yes. Flogging, no.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 11:08am PT

"because we CAN..?"...


What are the legalities of the situation???...


karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 11:16am PT
Whales and dolphins are highly intelligent animals who want and need to live in complex social groups. In captivity they will usually have been separated from their families, often in cruel hunts and some when they are very young.

Wild whales and dolphins can swim up to 100 miles a day, hunting and playing. In captivity they have very little space and cannot behave naturally. A concrete tank can never replace their ocean home.


The mental, emotional and physical stress that a captive whale or dolphin suffers can weaken their immune system and make them prone to disease. Even though captive whales and dolphins are kept in an environment free of predators, pollution and other threats, they die young. The death rate for infant whales and dolphins is also much higher in captivity.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 11:20am PT


As humans we feel we OWN everything on the planet...

and that of course is a HUGE problem for the poor animals...
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 11:26am PT
In some zoo's there is something called a Species Survival Plan (SSP) Program, which aims to manage the breeding of specific endangered species in order to help maintain healthy and self-sustaining populations that are both genetically diverse and demographically stable.

The end goal of many SSPs is the reintroduction of captive-raised endangered species into their native wild habitats. According to the , SSPs and related programs have helped bring black-footed ferrets, California condors, red wolves and several other endangered species back from the brink of extinction over the last three decades. Zoos also use SSPs as research tools to better understand wildlife biology and population dynamics, and to raise awareness and funds to support field projects and habitat protection for specific species.

However
Captivity for whales and dolphins is brutal!

Wild capture of whales and dolphins is awful. Entire pods may be targeted and many animals killed or injured. Only the young and fit are taken. These are the future generations for these already vulnerable wild populations and their loss has a hugely negative impact on group dynamics.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 31, 2013 - 11:33am PT
If Sea World and its ilk wanted to really do the 'educational' thang then
they would throw a few baby seals into the Orca tank every day. I bet that
would bring the crowd to its feet.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Cetaceans in captivity is not an option.

As this is the last day of the year I'm making my non-profit donations.

I'm supporting OPS and my friends Candice and Louie - http://www.opsociety.org/

Next it's off to WildAid, Project Aware, Monterey Bay Aquarium,

I've already been beating this drum BTW around here....
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2215095/Blackfish-the-movie-OT

In May or June of 2014 I'm organizing a trip to the San Juan Islands to visit the Orca's. See them in the only place they should be seen - the wild.

This guy is kicking some ass:
Credit: nature
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 31, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Oh, Nature, you really want to go see them on the Valdes Peninsula in
Argentina where they show up for the seal pup sushi fest. It's a jungle out there. ;-)
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 11:49am PT
I'm with you Nature!

There are many fantastic opportunities to see whales and dolphins in the wild both from land and with a responsible boat operator, so help us end captivity and keep whales and dolphins wild.

check out Stop Seaworld on facebook

karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 11:53am PT

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Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 31, 2013 - 11:56am PT
How much knowledge has been gained by captive programs on the various species? Knowledge that would not be known if all were left in the wild? And what is the percentage of captive vs wild Orcas or dolphins?
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:05pm PT


"How much knowledge has been gained by captive programs on the various species? Knowledge that would not be known if all were left in the wild?"...

Good and very valid questions...

karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
The behaviour of whales and dolphins is obviously constricted by life in a tank. Whales and dolphins are ordinarily intelligent, social animals that live in groups in the wild and carry out a myriad of tasks throughout daily life that are simply impossible in captivity. Most of the knowledge gained from carrying out research in the captive environment may not be applicable to the conservation of these animals in the wild.

Wild capture of dolphins and whales is a brutal activity as entire pods are targeted and only the young and fit are removed. These are the future generations of wild populations which may already be subject to other threats and the targeted population may therefore suffer greatly as a result of these captures, particularly in terms of group dynamics.


The orca, or "killer," whale is the largest member of the dolphin family.
Status:
Endangered in Oregon, Washington, and California.

Population: The worldwide population of orcas is unknown.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
locker - go see the movie blackfish and then maybe add your 2 cents.
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