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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
Since the OP ducked the question a bit,, ill elaborate. We would not know DIDDLY about dolphins or orcas had it not been for captives ..All those things Karen mentions of how intelligent they are were discovered through those programs. To UNDERSTAND a species, it must be studied at close quarters. So indeed all those attributes mentioned here have been discovered through the very programs you now want stopped. Cant have it both ways..
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
You can see Blackfish on Netflix.
Want to stop the torture of these animals?
Boycott SeaWorld, sign petitions, donate money or time, raise awareness!
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
Most of the knowledge gained from carrying out research in the captive environment may not be applicable to the conservation of these animals in the wild.

I suggest you watch the movie blackfish then do some research.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Well, Ron, by studying orcas and dophins in captivity I aver the only ones
who benefit are those doing the studies. Turn 'em all loose and leave 'em
the phuk alone! They don't need us to manage them other than assuring them
of enough salmon and seals to eat which means keeping fisheries stocks healthy.
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
The documentary movie Blackfish continues to be a public relations and financial nightmare for SeaWorld, and it’s now creating what people have termed the Blackfish Effect.

Eight out of the 10 musical acts scheduled for SeaWorld Orlando’s Bands, Brews and Barbecue Festival have canceled. Fans had launched online petitions, leading to the festival’s headlining acts – Willie Nelson, Barenaked Ladies, Joan Jett, Trisha Yearwood, .38 Special, Heart, REO Speedwagon and Martina McBride – all canceling their scheduled concert dates.

Many of the musicians have been using their social media pages to educate their fans about SeaWorld’s history of oppression and abuse. For Willie Nelson, the decision wasn’t a difficult one. "I don’t agree with the way they treat their animals," he said. “It wasn’t that hard a deal for me."
Some musicians and bands, including Joan Jett and Tommy Lee of Motley Crue, have also asked SeaWorld to stop using their music as a soundtrack to the “Shamu Rocks” show.

Joan Jett, whose outspoken views on the mistreatment of farmed animals got her kicked-off of South Dakota’s float at Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade, wrote a scathing letter to SeaWorld’s president expressing her displeasure:

"SeaWorld’s reliance on cruelty and captivity for commerce has been widely exposed. I hope you’ll take the respectable path and release the captive orcas to coastal sanctuaries so that they can live out their lives with other orcas in nature. This move would show that your company is truly family-friendly."

SeaWorld’s public relations problems are still growing, and the backlash toward their mistreatment of orcas is moving from the public to the private sector. Following on the heels of the rock stars, a marine science-based high school canceled its annual trip to SeaWorld. Rebecca Johnson, principal of Pt. Dume Marine Science School in Malibu, CA, said:
“My decision was guided by what was the best thing for all my students. I am very proud that the school did the right thing. I hope it’s not just a one-year, knee-jerk reaction. I hope they truly understand how wrong it is that these whales are in captivity, and none of us should be paying money to see that.”

All of this pressure has helped spread the Blackfish Effect to the point that it is now impacting SeaWorld’s commerce. Delaware L.P. Sw, a subsidiary of Blackstone, SeaWorld’s majority stockholder, has sold stock valued at over $500 million dollars.
In an effort to stem the growing tidal wave of negative public relations, SeaWorld took out a full-page ad in several major newspapers across the country. In the ads, they continue to claim that "The killer whales in our care benefit those in the wild,” and that “SeaWorld’s killer whales’ life spans are equivalent with those in the wild,” as well as saying that “We do not separate killer whale moms and calves.”
However, Blackfish director, Gabriela Cowperthwaite, told the Los Angeles Times:
“Unfortunately, their statements range from wildly misleading to patently false. I just wish they would evolve past their 40-year-old spin and resolve to work with us toward a better future.”
Despite SeaWorld’s best efforts, the Blackfish Effect will most likely continue to gain momentum because the documentary has just made its streaming debut on Netflix…and Netflix reportedly has over 31 million subscribers.

Yay!!!


nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
A healthy dose of STFU:
http://theorcaproject.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/open-letter-seaworld/

and

http://www.opsociety.org/PressReleases/SeaWorldOpenLetterRebuttal-OPS.pdf

in response to this bullshit:
http://seaworld.com/en/ourcare/Letter?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=SWF12SRC


locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:23pm PT


'The documentary movie Blackfish continues to be a public relations and financial nightmare for SeaWorld, and it’s now creating what people have termed the Blackfish Effect."...

I just watched that and had the feeling this thread may have been influenced by it...

Good documentary!!!...

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
and if you have not seen The Cove you should watch that as well.

A really sweet movie is The Whale.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Reilly,,If there were never captives we wouldnt now their intelligence levels, their habits, their requirements for health and much much more. Did you know dolphins have been used by the military quite a bit? They are trained to rescue lost swimmers, land mines and much more. All of this was through captive programs. And those dolphins arent even real captives.

Frankly Dolphins have aided us in more ways than most realize. Emotionally- certainly anything in captivity is sad to our reasoning. But the benefits to all concerned including the dolphins shouldnt be ignored.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:33pm PT

"and if you have not seen The Cove you should watch that as well."...


Sounds familiar and with my crap memory not sure if I've seen it or not...'

THANKS for the recommendation and I'll look it up and view it again either way...


;-)

karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
great links Nature!

You might want to read them Ron.

let them go!
let them go!
Credit: karen roseme
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Ron, I am quite aware of all of that. I just don't believe in slavery.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
A perfect example of the lies of SeaWorld is to look into the Morgan Story.

She was rescued by SeaWorld and rehabilitated. This animal could easily be released back to her pod. But SeaWorld is keeping her at loro parque - mostly likely to increase their genetic diversity for their breading program.

Free Morgan
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:41pm PT

"locker - go see the movie blackfish and then maybe add your 2 cents."...


???...






Uh...

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
you said you saw it. that's fine. but in my opinion to be a part of this discussion in a constructive way it's a must see.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:45pm PT


I don't see how watching that Movie is a break all/make all to this thread...

It's a good documentary and all...

But one not need see it to CARE...



You KNOW what I mean???...

So, though you feel it is necessary for one to watch it before commenting on this thread, and though it MAY be of benefit, I personally do not see it as a necessity in order to comment or be TOLD to go watch a movie before commenting...



;-)





EDITED:

and to be fair, if one is to HAVE to watch that movie before commenting, then in turn they should have to watch on from the opposing side...


nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
it has nothing to do with caring. That's an emotion.

it's a factual conversation and that movie is loaded with FACTS that until the movie didn't enter into this conversation. Either come equipped with the facts and discuss or act on emotion. I'm choosing the former.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
KDog, the dolphin performed admirably in the Irag war locating mines in the persian gulf, saving many lives. Kdog swims as free as ever doing that as well. Maybe some of you need to go to other sources that some "documentary" set to pre preconceived results.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:49pm PT


"it has nothing to do with caring"...

How do you mean it's not about "Caring"???...


This thread is ALL about "CARING"...


???...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
I hate to see family squabbles :(. Stop it, you two!
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