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karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
great links Nature!

You might want to read them Ron.

let them go!
let them go!
Credit: karen roseme
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Ron, I am quite aware of all of that. I just don't believe in slavery.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
A perfect example of the lies of SeaWorld is to look into the Morgan Story.

She was rescued by SeaWorld and rehabilitated. This animal could easily be released back to her pod. But SeaWorld is keeping her at loro parque - mostly likely to increase their genetic diversity for their breading program.

Free Morgan
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
you said you saw it. that's fine. but in my opinion to be a part of this discussion in a constructive way it's a must see.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
it has nothing to do with caring. That's an emotion.

it's a factual conversation and that movie is loaded with FACTS that until the movie didn't enter into this conversation. Either come equipped with the facts and discuss or act on emotion. I'm choosing the former.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
I hate to see family squabbles :(. Stop it, you two!
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
I'll just give up and get back to karen. I'm to busy to explain myself and you're not getting what i'm trying to say. and i'm sure that's my fault.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
no... i get it DAD! I just never listened to you so why should I start now?!?!?111169

;)
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Lolita (L25) is another story worth looking in to. She could be reintroduced to L-pod and they would accept and remember her. And they took her captive 43 years ago.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
First they want to be you. Then they want to kill you and sleep with mom. So hard these uh days.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
It use to say on Tilikums wiki page:

Occupation: Captive Slave
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
and by the way locker....

EDITED:

and to be fair, if one is to HAVE to watch that movie before commenting, then in turn they should have to watch on from the opposing side...

I would love to see nothing more in this discuss than a movie from the opposing side.

It's blatantly obvious it would be lies and propaganda. They won't go down that road because they know how easily it would get picked apart. Reading this makes it obvious what they got. Nothing.
http://seaworld.com/en/ourcare/Letter?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=SWF12SRC

Point #4 is such a lie it's perplexing they'd actually state it:
SeaWorld’s killer whales’ life spans are equivalent with those in the wild.

J2 Granny - 102 years old. J8 Spieden - 80 years old - RIP. i could go on...


BTW... this is a super cool story.

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/nature/post/killer-whales-dazzle-in-an-hourlong-show-off-l-a-like-seaworld-without-the-tanks/
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
The Cove. It won an academy award for best documentary. It describes the capture and slaughter of small cetaceans in Taiji Japan. It's going on right now. The director lives here in Boulder. I met him on Isla Mujeres over the summer. After the floods I went over to help him out (they got pummeled by the water). Some big things are planned for 2014 both with what Louie has planned as well as what the Sea Shepherds are up to.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 31, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
http://takepart.com/article/2013/12/30/seaworlds-very-rotten-year

here's hoping to an even worse world for them in 2014.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Dec 31, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Whales and dolphins are highly intelligent animals who want and need to live in complex social groups. In captivity they will usually have been separated from their families, often in cruel hunts and some when they are very young.

Dogs are pack animals. How many people complaining about this also have a single dog that sits at home alone all day while they are out on the picket-line complaining about animals in captivity?

Dave

P.S. I just got back from the San Diego Safari Park. No one is complaining about the Rhino's in captivity because no one made a documentary about them. This thread is another example of people being sheep and following whatever "save the _" fad that comes along.

rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Dec 31, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
...willingness...

If it is "training," then it is not "willingness." Informed cooperation would require us having to explain what we want and then the animals would use logic and reason to decide to act or not. "Training" is where we give treats to the animal each time it does what we want, and it eventually learns complex actions because... wait for it... treats are yummy!

Dave
canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Dec 31, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
I always like to look up any charitable organization to ascertain how much good the do-gooder is actually doing. Oceanic Preservation Society's form 990 was quite the eye opener. I'm sure Louis means the ocean well, but factually he's paying himself $200,000 a year (in addition to car, restaurant, and other expense write offs) and the only "donation" they made at all in 2011 was $100 (it didn't say to whom). They do make nice movies though.
The Cove and Blackfish were very good IMO.

I dunno, I'd like to see more actual conservation efforts besides making movies, and I also dislike the idea that they think associating with Paul Watson is a good idea.
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2014 - 10:04am PT
Hey Ron,
I think that negative review you found was written by a Sea World stock holder!





**Ten Things You Didn’t Know About SeaWorld



They are forced to perform tricks and live in tiny enclosures.

Say NO to SeaWorld and refuse to buy a ticket.

Orcas that were at SeaWorld before 1972 were likely kidnapped from their ocean homes. For example, Tilikum, a 32-year-old orca, was captured at the age of 2 by a marine "cowboy." Tilikum wasn't taken from his natural environment because he was injured—instead, he was torn away from his family against his will and confined to a small concrete tank for a hefty profit.


A scientific study by Newcastle University found that dolphins in close proximity to humans experience extreme stress, "preventing them from resting, feeding or nurturing their young." Despite these findings, SeaWorld continues to allow park guests to swim and touch dolphins at its Discovery Cove location in Orlando, Florida.


In 1965, the first-ever orca show was performed by a female orca named Shamu at SeaWorld San Diego. Shamu, like Tilikum, was kidnapped before the Marine Mammal Protection Act was enacted in1972—during Shamu's capture, her mother was shot with a harpoon and killed before the young orca's very eyes by a marine "cowboy" named Ted Griffin. Griffin's partner, Don Goldsberry, later worked for SeaWorld and was assigned to bring orcas into the park. He continued slaughtering orcas, and at one point, he hired divers to slit open the bellies of four orcas, fill them with rocks, put anchors around their tails, and sink them to the bottom of the ocean so that their deaths would not be discovered.
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2014 - 10:11am PT
I love dogs too and think people who leave them at home all day alone should not get to have them

I am so grateful the film was made so the cause can gain momentum and possibly get results.

Here are 7 more things you didn't know about SeaWorld.


In nature, orcas choose their own mates. But at SeaWorld, orcas are forced to breed on a regular basis. Male orcas are trained to float on their backs, and their trainers masturbate them to collect their sperm. Females are artificially inseminated and forced to breed at a much younger age than they would in nature. Katina was forced to breed when she was only 9 years old (at least five years earlier than she would have naturally bred in the wild). Now she is used as a virtual breeding machine and is even being inbred with her own sons.


SeaWorld's corporate incident log contains reports of more than 100 incidents of orca aggression at its parks, often resulting in injuries to humans and even causing one death by extensive internal bleeding.


Orcas in the wild have an average life expectancy of 30 to 50 years—their estimated maximum life span is 60 to 70 years for males and 80 to 90 for females. The median age of orcas in captivity is only 9.


In captivity, all male orcas have collapsed dorsal fins as adults, which is a sign of an unhealthy orca. SeaWorld claims that this condition is common and natural for all orcas. However, collapsed dorsal fins are caused by the unnatural environment of captivity and are rarely seen in the wild. Only 1 to 5 percent of male orcas in some populations (and none in others) have fully collapsed dorsal fins.


SeaWorld has a long history of pressuring authorities. Following a 2006 attack by an orca on a trainer at SeaWorld in San Diego, the California division of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration concluded that it was "only a matter of time" before someone was killed while interacting with the orcas. However, the agency withdrew these findings after being pressured by SeaWorld. A further investigation into these attacks could have prevented injuries and deaths.


On January 11, the USDA issued an official warning to SeaWorld San Antonio for its "repeated failure to provide drain covers that are securely fastened in order to minimize the potential risk of animal entrapment"—a violation that resulted in the death of a sea lion.


SeaWorld confines whales and dolphins—who often swim up to 100 miles a day in the wild—to tanks that, to them, are the size of a bathtub.

SeaWorld presents itself as a family establishment full of fun activities. However, these "fun activities" harm animals physically and emotionally. Please say NO to SeaWorld and its enslavement of animals by refusing to buy a ticket and asking the marine park to release these animals to sanctuaries.




couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 1, 2014 - 10:58am PT



*RIGHT ON KAREN!! I agree. I was so inspired by your post that I kicked my dog out of the house and said: "LIVE FREE PUP". The damned thing has been walking aimlessly around the house ever since despite the send off we had which also included playing the song "Born Free" repetitively. Now we've been relegated to ducking behind the couch and keeping the lights off pretending to not be home when she gets close, but have been unsuccessful in our efforts so far to rehabilitate the dog and get her to start chasing cats, voles and squirrels for dinner. I said: "GO FORTH AND LIFE FREE LIKE A COYOTE". What's wrong with freedom?


Not sure what to do now, but this ain't working. ................Help!?




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