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labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 11, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
It's official: The new Pinnacles National Park is America's 59th national park.

http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/pinnacles-national-park--what-makes-it-stand-out-202205177.html



Let the flames begin...
mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2030984&msg=2032584#msg2032584

Today was the commencement, which was PRIVATE INVITE ONLY.

Kinda bittersweet.

matty

Trad climber
under the sea
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Too bad, now there will be more people, more regulations, more trash, more construction/developments (aka "improvements"), probably more expensive...sorry I never made it there yet, but now I have less desire just because it's a national park, it's just that much more of a PITA....but I'm sure I'll still go and enjoy the hell out of it ;)
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
If you were expecting flames, why post it up?

The hardest part of this is telling all my non-climbing friends and family how this wasn't really in the best interest of the Monument, but done in the best interest of the business community around it.



Slater

Trad climber
Central Coast
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Brad is gonna have to redo his ENTIRE guidebook... now it's all crap!

;)
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
The hardest part of this is telling all my non-climbing friends and family how this wasn't really in the best interest of the Monument, but done in the best interest of the business community around it.

I don't really understand the differences between a monument and a park, what's the main idea? How does it benefit businesses locally?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
How does it benefit businesses locally?


I'd imagine boasting NP status would draw a lot more folks out there. People who would stop for gas/food/t-shirts.
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
'If you were expecting flames, why post it up?'

I remembered what other people said on the subject when it came up on the other thread and I think it should be talked about further because some of the concerns are valid about how Pinnacles will change with the new designation.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
dark magus, check Mucci's thread. I think the brand recognition point is made there, just like Jebus alludes to.

labrat, copy that.
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
The european tour-buses are gonna be descending on PNP like a plague of locusts.
mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
Jesus Christ I forgot about the euros....

Knuckle ridge here we come!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
Yeah, there are some condors, tarantulas and rattlesnakes, and even some rock climbing for locals......but a National Park? State Park would be more like it.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Donini's got a point. Beautiful place though.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:45pm PT

And there's talk in the papers that the NPS is going to take a huge
budget cut this year already. They can't afford to maintain
what they've got now.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
Three comments:

1. I honestly don't think "park" status will make any noticeable difference at any level at all. There are times when Pinns is empty/abandoned and there are times when it is an indescribable zoo. I don't see this changing.

2. I am literally outraged that they'd do this ceremony today in private. Is "congressman" Farr afraid of the public? Or afraid of the outdoors-community public? Or is this his private little enclave. I note that a reception was held afterward at a golf course. I think he's a Republican, but he'd be better described as a communist-aparachnik-type-tool. It's all there just for he and his cronies (and yes, II was invited - through FoP). IMHO that's not the American way;

3. Tom, if my guidebook is "now... all crap!" then there must have been a time when it wasn't crap. Ha ha ha ha, I gotcha buddy: trapped into admitting the the book is good (used to be good?). Actually, Miwuksurfer posted a great photo on the earlier thread on the book's obsolescence. Of note too: I did just correct the new SPH book (it mentions Pinns at one point due to a similarity of its rock to one formation in our high county). It was really weird to type "park" after Pinnacles.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
Does this mean that the "age of consent" in the new Pinnacles National Park is now 16 years old? Are you violating the Mann Act if you bring an underage girl to Pinnacles for "immoral purposes", or does Federal Law trump State Law in this case?

All youth leaders must know the truth! Awaiting clarification . . .
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:13am PT
mtnyoung, Farr is a Democrat. He is also the same guy who is pushing an initiative to have the NPS take jurisdiction over the Giant Sequoia Nat Monument, I.E. The Needles and surroundings. If he succeeds at that kiss open camping, Mtn biking on trails, snowmobiling, hunting and a host of other activities people enjoy there goodbye.

I've been looking at Farr for a while. His strategy is clear, and all you have to do is follow the money. He takes up causes which are dear to his Santa Cruz constituents to get generous financial support. From their armchairs and salons in Santa Cruz, these people can imagine how much better it will be if the NPS runs Giant Sequoia and all those people who go up there and have fun can just be better regulated.

Is "congressman" Farr afraid of the public? Or afraid of the outdoors-community public?

Yes he is. His lies will not stand to any scrutiny but he pushes them anyway. For example the NFS had to go in and clean out a bunch of dangerous hanging snags in the Trail of 100 Giants (that or close it due to the hazards) and Farr's people went on the warpath saying the NFS had authorized illegal harvesting of Giant Sequoia's. The truth is the old snags had to go, and the NFS saved all of us who pay taxes some $ by letting a private company take the stuff out at no cost and make what they could from it. I saw the before and after, there was no harm done.

bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:13am PT
Just back from the ceremony and the reception. Given how I received my invitation to the ceremony, I was under the impression that it was private. I don't know how the other attendees were notified, but I got an E-mail from the Monument(at the time) staff and was asked to RSVP by a specified date. That seems like a pretty private invite to me.

It really might have been a private ceremony, but there were almost 500 attendees so maybe it wasn't private. I just don't know. I apologize if any comments I made in this or other forums gave the impression that it was private. BTW, most of the non-government attendees were from the neighboring area (ranchers and residents of the local towns).

I did get in some rebolting before the ceremony.

YosemiteSteve

Trad climber
CA
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:19am PT
Yeah, there are some condors, tarantulas and rattlesnakes, and even some rock climbing for locals......but a National Park? State Park would be more like it.

I've spent weeks there, explored most of the park and think it's an awesome spot, but it always felt like a really nice state park more than a Nat'l Monument to me.

How many National Parks have one lane roads leading to them? There won't be any tour buses on the West Side for quite a while.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:22am PT
How many National Parks have one lane roads leading to them?

Exactly. To quote Edward Abbey from Desert Solitaire... "When does the construction begin?"
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