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dirtbag

climber
Sep 2, 2013 - 09:15pm PT

You'd be surprised at what 12 months of SERE Instructor/Interrogator Training and then 24 months of Operating will do. The tool box is loaded with goodies.

I take it it doesn't include liposuction for midget moobs?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 2, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
http://ak-wx.blogspot.de/2013/08/record-cold-in-northern-interior.html
dirtbag

climber
Sep 2, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
"FACT."

LOL.
WBraun

climber
Sep 2, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
It's true.

Every year a squirrel tells me everything.

Stupid lab coats can't talk to squirrels ......
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 2, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
Sycamores are shedding their leaves already and the Japanese Maple is turning yellow.

About 6 weeks ahead of schedule
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 2, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
I like the sub title on the Alaskan climate report...All science and no politics...this thread has turned into a political thread with science being tossed aside...Talking squirrels and ducks that smoke..!...Criky...
abrams

Sport climber
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
Before any CO2 rise over a 100 years ago huge melt back of glaciers
was being noted by explorers. Happily in some cases because it gave access to fishing areas previously locked in ice.

read historical reports of Earths natural global warming and understand why the warmists are fools.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/the-glacial-attack/





abrams

Sport climber
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
Climate Alarmists Caught In Their Own Squeeze Play
– With No Way Out


The IPCC wants to bury the last 15 years cooling, and instead focus on the
long term trend.


I’m happy to play that game. Let’s look at the entire hockey stick – going
back to 1850. It indicates 0.7C warming over the past 163 years, which
extrapolates to a laughable 0.38C warming for the rest of the century.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/climate-alarmists-caught-in-their-own-squeeze-play-with-no-way-out/
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
Sure, the temp rise looks completely natural.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/03/new-hockey-stick-graph-...
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/03/new-hockey-stick-graph-scarier
Credit: monolith

No one's burying the last 15 years.

Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
I thought this was supposed to be friendly place to discuss and debate

We jumped that shark about 13K posts ago...
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
Hey Chief, what's this Spitzer business?

Maybe you can clue us in on your latest delusion?

It'll give you a chance to post some of your mindless pics.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 2, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
wtf? you seem a little off today, Chief.

I mean more than usual.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 2, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
And the oceans continue to warm.


monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 2, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
Dumbass, ENSO affects the surface of the ocean, and that's where the heat transfer with the atmosphere takes place.

El Niño is warming, La Niña is cooling. They ride on top of the general warming trend.

Here it is for you again:

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 2, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Removing ENSO, Volcanic and Solar from the past reveals the consistent warming trend.

You seem to accept that now, and now whine about predictions. Good boy.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 2, 2013 - 11:38pm PT

I’m happy to play that game. Let’s look at the entire hockey stick – going
back to 1850. It indicates 0.7C warming over the past 163 years, which
extrapolates to a laughable 0.38C warming for the rest of the century.

Doesn't this show you (prove) that the earth is naturally warming, even regardless of mans interaction? Even with the use of weaksauce science from 1800's.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 2, 2013 - 11:48pm PT


calling me demeaning names and a wuss or whatever

Does it ever stop?

Maybe with a simple apology? Then maybe we can get back to serious matters?
Even though I think this is more important than the weather!!

Edit : maybe again could you tell me why co2 is bad for us?
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Sep 3, 2013 - 03:04am PT
the chief let me get this straight...

you are self sufficient but live on SOCIAL SECURITY???

you bash dams but live in a desert and then post irragation systems supplied by DAMS??? or have it your way "a privately owned water source"--provide records of ownership please...and where it is sourced...

BTW BASE asked you what wealth you have created EVER???

sucking off the govt. TEET wich you so despise...now I'm beginning to understand you hate the TASTE of the TEET because you have suckled for so long...most parents ween their babies after a few years...wildlife kick the polar bear cubs to the curb around 3...

Seems to me you would have figured out a way to provide for yourself and your family by now...but instead you ask us to PAY YOUR WAY...

Post up the x-rays or medical documents if you have them from any combat operations...just saying you were injured in combat isn't enough...and so what if you were...your no better than any of the thousands who risked there lives and the true HEROES who DIED for our country...just buried my cousin last week at Fort Leavenworth JERRY FRANS U.S.M.C.

viewing the pic of your suburban utopia in the desert with everybody being a right wing prick ...are you the ex-military dude Kris Kristofferson portrayed who was homophobic but also homo-curios??? I bet you don't need much of a fire dept. there that is why everybody is a member of the "volunteer" fire dept. that is until the sh#t hits the fan...then us taxpayers will come to the RESCUE but in the chiefs mind like the big lebowskie "they will kidnap/rescue themselves"

BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 3, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
TC has made this thread impossible to post to. Abrams posted a link and nobody batted an eyelash.

Check out the website where he gets his info:

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/

You can go to this "science site" right now and read why we should bomb Syria. It is a total bullshit website and nobody cares. All it is is a TC hate fest.

Gotta get back to work. My computer is finishing a data update.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 3, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
TC has made this thread impossible to post to.

Yes, it's unfortunate that Chief can always bring this thread back to focus on himself. There's a lot of potential for sharing real information and questions from different perspectives including Ed's impressively wide grasp, Base's deep-time view, and many others such as those ocean charts that Monolith keeps posting and not one of the deniers seems able to read.

A few pages back I posted some notes about an important new paper by Kosaka and Xie, which quantifies the contribution of ENSO to atmospheric warming and cooling. This paper is too new to make the deadline for the forthcoming IPCC report, which really needs it, but it is getting good discussion on blogs. Judith Curry misreads the core point, but John Nielsen-Gammon has a particularly good post today:

Kosaka and Xie find that the POGA-H run [which includes Pacific sea surface temperatures associated with El Niño and La Niña, in addition to greenhouse forcing] reproduces the hiatus, along with most other interannual variations in global surface temperature (correlation 0.97 since 1970). In addition, it reproduces most of the key observed regional variations in warming, both during the rapid rise of 1971-1997 and the hiatus period of 2002-2012. All of this, to me, is convincing evidence that any explanation for the hiatus must pass through the tropical central and eastern Pacific.

There are two possible explanations.
One is that the natural variability in the central and eastern tropical Pacific (which is known to be quite variable) randomly happened to evolve in such a way that it favored a cooling trend in surface temperatures for the past fifteen or so years, one that was almost strong enough to offset the longer-term global warming trend. The second is that the particular evolution of surface temperature in the central and eastern tropical Pacific, rather than being independent of global warming, is actually being caused by it.

The implication of explanation number one is that the effect of natural variability will soon reverse and global atmospheric warming will resume at its previous pace. The implication of explanation number two is that for an extended but unknown period of time, the tropical Pacific will continue to evolve in a La Niña fashion, maintaining a slow rate of temperature rise for quite some time. Kosaka and Xie argue that explanation number one is more likely, and I agree. Several pieces of evidence point toward explanation number one and away from explanation number two, but none of them are conclusive at this point.


More at
http://blog.chron.com/climateabyss/2013/08/learning-from-the-hiatus/
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