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Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 28, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
He has all the typical right wing traits, he's just not political
annoying as hell, and a complete a-hole

just my opinion Norton, with all respect to your opinion
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 28, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
They will prove us right, that they are wrong
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 28, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
What, this is now a psycho-poli sci thread? ;-)
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 28, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
The system has gone awry on this CAGW subject.

This is really the root of the problem. People reach that conclusion through their media of choice. Most likely Conservative in this instance.

They don't get it through science. They disdain science.

This is why our country is being overtaken by China and other countries who invest in science and math education.

Not everyone should be a scientist. We need poets and dreamers, too. We need a good balance in our society. Other than increasing education spending, this is entirely up to individuals.

If we, as individuals are faced with an extreme, brain washed, powerful segment of our political system, we are screwed. The Christian right and the new conservatives are causing a lot of damage in our country.

I could go on about my state since it recently went red in all three branches of government.

The typical bill is their anti Sharia Law Act, or their open carry act.

These are not problems that we face. We are 48th in public education. If we want to attract business, the employees will bail if it is Oklahoma.

What is happening in our state government is outright stupid and beyond any rational duties that they are responsible for.

I could go on about liberal democrats in this state, but they have zero power over policy at the moment. Suffice that they aren't all rosy, either.

I am more a Libertarian who is terrified of conservatives at the moment.

They talk loud about the second amendment, but the second amendment is safe. Meanwhile, they have happily and ignorantly allowed the 4th amendment to vanish.

When a conservative begins to talk science, most of them step all over their dicks. That is oilfield lingo for screwing up due to hubris.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
intuition is not preconceived as prejudice is. Intuition forms from facts or apparent facts much like probable cause is..

Ron - I'm not sure that is accurate. Just google "Intuition definition". Works for me.


But the real question is how do you differentiate? Prjudice and intuition come to us in a much the same manner but one is a tool with great beneficial potential while the other is not.

We need to differentiate, that is clear.

How?
WBraun

climber
May 28, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Well said Ed although we know it's not complete but a far better analysis then from the crybabies likes of Dr F, norton Bruce kay mechrist.

I can work both sides of the fence ......
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 28, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Ed: problem with that is they don't really know, but they are willing to accept that story instead of thinking independently... the reason they don't is because they are sure if they "learned" science they are just being indoctrinated.




That statement resembles the "warming" side as well.. They DONT KNOW what has caused a flat line in their theories. And if you TRUST agencies of the govt to define things for you without questioning, then beachfront in Omaha is a definite possible sale..

They TRIED using the polar bears for a flagship- it sunk. So dod the spotted owl. The penguins too are enjoying conditions now.

You see those were PROPAGANDA.. And lies.. Now if a cause starts out with lies, questioning the rest just seems good common sense.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
Good to hear Werner. So can I

What do you think?

Is it necessary to differentiate between intuition and prjudice? If not Why?

If it is, how do we do it?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Come on you guys, almost 10,000 posts along you would think that we could devote at least a little thought to our motivations and impulses.

To be clear, its not the fact that motives and impulses exist that bug me, it is how they are applied.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 28, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
That statement resembles the "warming" side as well.. They DONT KNOW what has caused a flat line in their theories. And if you TRUST agencies of the govt to define things for you without questioning, then beachfront in Omaha is a definite possible sale..

So unbelievably clueless.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
OK - I'll leave you guys alone for now. I would point out however a couple of things:

1) So long as there exists questions that must not be answered you must admit that you are an intellectual coward.

2) These questions lead inexorably toward questions of morality. What drives you and why and what that means in relation to others. Once again, if you are unwilling to explore personal morality you have to wonder about the courage of your convictions, or if you prefer, the deception of your convictions. Deception of yourself and others.

3) The issue of "obnoxiousness" in our discourse is a matter of style not substance. True it can get a bit counterproductive sometimes but what do you expect around here, 10000 posts later. Hidden beneath all that style somewhere is some substance, the bulk of which is physical sciences but I also suggest social sciences.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
in fact, I think you would be surprised if he ever told the truth of who he voted for

Obama, twice. For the Combat Vets. Only for us Vets. I voted for no one else on the ballot. Not one soul. Frkn scheisters the entire lot. One round, one kill etc to em all. Greed fks the entire lot. Both sides of the aisle. Good buds with two Operators that have met Obama behind closed doors. They both left feeling like the dude really cares and appreciates their work/service. That matters tons.

they fear somehow that a bunch of smart people are out to bamboozle them out of their hard earned lifestyles..

Nope. Just can't stand the "elitist" component. No better than the politicians. Agenda and only agenda. The nature of their game. Ego.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 28, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
hahahaaa.... so the problem the chaff has is other people's egos... hahahaaa!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_egos


elite: The best or most skilled members of a group.

I often find myself upset at the best and most skilled [insert occupation here] for expecting higher pay and calling the shots because... what gives them the right, other than the fact that they are better and more skilled! How dare they. I want mediocrity all around... THAT is what this country was founded on... THAT is what it means to be Merkin!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
^^^^^^ Wrong dumbass. No battle what so ever. Elitist egos. Just like yours. One day your young ass may figure that one out. One day. Keep riding that bicycle and it may come to you. Peddle.


I want mediocrity all around... THAT is what this country was founded on

Obviously your experience from that same job you have had since you were eleven. PSSSSSSSSSSSSST. This country is far from founded based on mediocrity. Get your head out the ....
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 28, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
alot of right wingers voted for Obama
some aren't as dumb as you might think, even though they still act like it

McLame and the Mittster were unqualified to be President, Who else are you going vote for.

McLame is over in Syria trying to pull us into a war with Russia!!!
Talk about stupid and treasonous
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 28, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
hahahhaaaaaaa...

hey Chaff, did you have that same anti-elitist attitude in the Navy? Did you disregard superior officer's orders because they were "elitists?"
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Craig.^^^^^^^^ You really are an idiot. Or. You have been sampling far too much of them carbon monoxide fumes you are tagging daily down there in the South Coast Air Basin.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 28, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Are saying that I was wrong? Chief,
and you are stupid as you say, poor fool, I was trying to give you a pat on the back
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 28, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Science-aware posters upthread have mentioned that much of the recent warming has gone into the deep ocean, where heat content is massive compared with the atmosphere. NOAA just updated their time series (based primarily on ARGO floats) with the latest quarterly data, Jan-Mar 2013. The index takes quite a jump this year, actually the 2nd-largest in their quarterly series. More significantly it continues the unmistakable rising trend.



Note that the graph's y axis is not absolute heat content but anomaly, or deviation from the 1955-2006 (reference period) mean.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 28, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Yes Ed- it is a feeble signal compared to natural variability, now you are coming along. As far as most of the rest of your statement; it's utter b.s., what you have been conditioned to think. Believe it or not, intelligence is not the sole province of the elite, people in the normal to high range of learning ability, can and do look at the readily available evidence and come to their own conclusions. I have great hope for you too, to slowly reexamine all the available evidence present and yet to emerge and come up with your own independent conclusion.

Dr F how can anyone take you seriously with your rigid ideology and ridulous attack dog style?
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